Type: Sport, 80 ft
FA: Brett Pierce, November 2000
Page Views: 2,025 total · 9/month
Shared By: richard magill on Dec 31, 2000
Admins: Leo Paik, John McNamee, Frances Fierst, Monty, Monomaniac

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This was formerly known as The Price Is Right.

This is one of the best new lines on Cactus Cliff - I wavered a bit on whether it is 2 stars or 3. Comparing it to other 3 star lines like The French are Here, I finally decided on 2 stars - but it probably goes more like 2 and a half.

Start right of Puff Daddy on the left side of a prow. The climbing is great, with a very thin, crimpy, crux section down low (just believe), and a strange, desperate finish through awkward holds that finally relent to jugs.

There are good rests after the crux that will let you get it together before tackling the tricky finish.

It is hard for 12a but realistically not much harder than that.

Protection

11 bolts.

Photos

I bolted and redpointed this route. Bob D. happened to be there that day and I belayed him on a toprope burn of the route.

The correct name and and 1st ascent info is: Brett Pierce, Legend on the Fall. Oct 1, 2004
Rich Aschert
  5.12a/b
Rich Aschert  
  5.12a/b
This is an excellent route with a very lean and technical first crux and a slightly runout second crux above the last bolt where you don't want to fall. Aug 24, 2006
dancesatmoonrise
  5.12b
dancesatmoonrise  
  5.12b
Nice going, Brett. We were on it yesterday and enjoyed it.

First crux was fun, thin, technical. Second crux was pretty hard. Rest before you get there. You'll need it. Dec 23, 2012
BrendanP Moran
Fort Collins, Colorado
  5.12b
BrendanP Moran   Fort Collins, Colorado
  5.12b
"Just believe" is so appropriate for the lower crux - even after finally figuring it out, it still felt like I had missed a crucial hold. Unbelievably thin and pretty frustrating. The upper section drops back down into hard 5.11 territory with great moves the whole way, so don't be discouraged if you're stuck at the crux! Mar 27, 2013
Dan Foster
Hillsboro, OR
Dan Foster   Hillsboro, OR
Lower crux felt nearly impossible. Not sure if something broke on this route, because the movement seemed ridiculous. Oct 21, 2013
slim

  5.12a/b
slim    
  5.12a/b
The "just believe" beta is pretty accurate for the lower crux. My partner gave me super key beta here - I wasn't thinking in that direction, and I would have never figured it out. Even then, it is a hard move for sure. If you are short, it will be a long reach. If you are tall, the foot positions are kind of awkward. It would be nice to set this as a problem in your garage so you could do it a few times and get it smoothed out.

I think the top runout borders on inappropriate for a rap bolted route. It is a pretty good stretch to the anchor, and the climbing is definitely not easy. Oct 21, 2013
The anchor on this route is total crap. I've used beefier chains for my dog. I posted this to put it on MP for the list for whoever gets there next to upgrade. If I wasn't freezing yesterday, I would've swapped out the manky chain for quicklinks. Dec 4, 2015
Monty
Golden, CO
  5.12b
Monty   Golden, CO  
  5.12b
I swapped out the thin chain for quicklinks today. Such a fun route! Dec 27, 2016