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Otto's Route

5.8+, Trad, 400 ft (121 m), 5 pitches, Grade II,  Avg: 3.4 from 523 votes
FA: John Otto, July 4, 1911
Colorado > Grand Junction… > Colorado Nation… > Independence Monument

Description

This is a nice climb in four short pitches that finishes with the last exposed and dramatic prow to the summit. It's on the shady side of the monument, so warm days are preferable. The FA, Otto, drilled and chopped many holds in the soft sandstone to aid up this route with pipes in the holes, but now just the holes remain, which gives the route a moderate rating.

P1. Start on the NW side near the East end at a right-angling ramp (5.4) past chopped steps to a large ledge with a crack to protect for a belay.

P2. Head up the wide crack (#4 Camalot at the top), and exit the slot to another large ledge. The 2" drilled holes can be protected with the tricams.

P3. 3rd Class through the Time Tunnel up the ramp below a face with some drilled anchors. Climb this short pitch to Lunchbox Ledge, a large belay spot with a terrific view. There are three drilled anchors at the belay.

P4. This is the awesome crux pitch. Take the chopped steps to the right up the easy but runout and exposed face. Some drilled angles protect the final overhang on good holds to the belay ledge. A short hop up off this ledge gains the summit.

To descend, make a double rope rap past Lunchbox Ledge to the large shelf with the Time Tunnel. Traverse down the small tunnel to a short rap to a large ledge (top of 2nd pitch). Look for the last double rope rap to the right at the edge of the ledge, which was the top of the first pitch.

Alternately - per Becca Steinbrecher: from the large shelf, traverse down the small tunnel to the top of pitch 2. Either do a double rope rappel from here to the ground, or rappel to the 1st anchor & one last rappel to the ground.

Protection

A small rack of cams with a 1.5 and 2 tricam, and a #4 Camalot. About 6 draws and several shoulder length slings should do. Bring two ropes (for the rap).

Per Bryce Kerscher: a #5 Camalot is optional.

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A route overlay for Otto's Route.
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Matt and Bayes on the summit. First desert tower for this little 4-year old!
[Hide Photo] Matt and Bayes on the summit. First desert tower for this little 4-year old!
Bayes getting to "lead" the little summit "pitch" after pitch 4.
[Hide Photo] Bayes getting to "lead" the little summit "pitch" after pitch 4.
Otto's Route pitches.
[Hide Photo] Otto's Route pitches.
George Bell finishing off the crux on the last pitch.
[Hide Photo] George Bell finishing off the crux on the last pitch.
Annie coming over the crux of Otto's Route.
[Hide Photo] Annie coming over the crux of Otto's Route.
Peter and Patty marrying at the top of Independence Monument after climbing Otto's Route on May 8, 2007.
[Hide Photo] Peter and Patty marrying at the top of Independence Monument after climbing Otto's Route on May 8, 2007.
Sir Chris Bonington and Paul Ross.... A long way from Cumbria.
[Hide Photo] Sir Chris Bonington and Paul Ross.... A long way from Cumbria.
You think you're tough. Here's Zane, age 5 or 6, finishing up the final overhang (with a little aid).
[Hide Photo] You think you're tough. Here's Zane, age 5 or 6, finishing up the final overhang (with a little aid).
The dreaded desert rock lizard enjoying his lunch.
[Hide Photo] The dreaded desert rock lizard enjoying his lunch.
On the summit in March of '03.
[Hide Photo] On the summit in March of '03.
Mike pulling the summit ledge.
[Hide Photo] Mike pulling the summit ledge.

Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

[Hide Comment] This route can be rappelled in two raps with double 60m cords. The first one heads north from the summit anchors to the top of the Time Tunnel. Scramble down to the anchors at the beginning of the tunnel (top of pitch two). From here, rap directly off the north side to the ground. This rap does not follow the climbing route. When there are mulitple parties on the route, this rappel is the best option as you will not be in anybody's way or knock rocks on anybody. The last rappel requires 50m cords. Nov 5, 2001
Andrew Gram
Salt Lake City, UT
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] I thought the second pitch was the crux-I was struggling on that much more than on the summit overhangs. The second to last pitch was no harder than 5.6, not 5.8 as at least the Bjornstad guide indicates.

Great unique route, definitely 8+ or maybe even 9- Nov 19, 2001
Tyson Arp
Omaha, NE
[Hide Comment] Funny how everyone's perceptions are different. My wife and I both expected this route to be much harder. I' wouldn't call it any more than a 7+. The only real interesting moves were the last three--and that's because it's so darn sandy and worn from too much traffic. Aug 16, 2002
Brad Brandewie
Estes Park
[Hide Comment] I agree with Andrew. I thought the second pitch was the crux. Nov 22, 2002
[Hide Comment] Let's see, we just climbed this on 4/12/03.

What a surreal route. A must do if in the area.

The third pitch Off-Width is definitely size-dependent: Tall / slender people will fare better than chubbier / shorter ones. It is burly for sure, but protects very well with large cams and a sling around a chockstone.

The last pitch felt insecure. The chopped holds have turned into gritty sloppers. The reaches ae loooong and the pins looked just O.K. Felt like 5.9 to us.

Otto was a wild man, he climbed this in Cowboy boots!

Ironic that he was responsible for both chopping a 5 pitch route up the most beautiful formation in the Monument and leading the charge to turn the area into a National Monument thus ensuring its preservation.

Perhaps the same thing will one day happen with the Sports Park, NOT!

WT Apr 14, 2003
Ben Mottinger

  5.8+
[Hide Comment] I updated the route to modified as it should most definitely be. Apr 15, 2003
Andrew Gram
Salt Lake City, UT
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] I think its pretty silly to blacklist this route. Yes, the holds are not natural, but since it occurred *way* before there was even a thing called climbing ethics, try as I might I can't get too worked up over the defacement. Apr 16, 2003
[Hide Comment] I never really looked at Otto's Route as a climbing route anyway. It's more like a super-advanced trail or via ferrata to a great summit. Apr 16, 2003
Joe Collins
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] In a word, Bob, the answer to your question is: history. No one is going to argue that Otto's route has stellar climbing... in fact if you ask me, the climbing blows. The reason it's classic is because Otto had a vision, that by the standards of the early-1900s was insane. It wasn't ethically appalling back then to use these methods to climb. Its amazing to climb this route and think of the determination and obsessiveness that drove Otto to the top. The route is more of a museum relic... that and the summit is pretty darn cool. The sport park developers and chippers of today know better. Apr 16, 2003
Ben Mottinger

  5.8+
[Hide Comment] I agree, Andrew, that I'm not worked up or disturbed about the drilled holes on this route when I'm climbing it (since it did occur so long ago) but my intent of placing it on the modified route list was to back our stance of indiscriminate classification of modified routes. "Blacklisting" it was not meant to deter people from the climb, but just to make more people aware of the chipping issue on the whole. Apr 16, 2003
[Hide Comment] Excellent !!! Great Feel Good climb. The final move onto the roof is blistering ....Kudos Mr. Otto. May 5, 2003
[Hide Comment] The only rappel that requires double ropes is the last one (ie. to the ground), but a single 70m rope will get you down with a foot or two to spare. Less to pack in and out, less to haul, and less to drag over scree-covered ledges (helmets most highly recommended). Oct 31, 2003
ET
 
[Hide Comment] Rappelling: Ok you could Rap the whole route with 1 60 or 70 if you did 4 raps; however its probably better to do it in 2 2rope Rappels. Use 2 60 meters to rappel from the summit to the time tunnel. Hike the time tunnel to belay station 2 then 2 60's to the ground (50meters will not work). This is probably better then trying the rap from the summit to lunchbox ledge. May 22, 2004
[Hide Comment] Ol' Otto you one crazy REDNECK! any ways did the route [Memorial] Weekend 04. I have to say the route was the easiest "5.8ish" [I've] ever done. Compared to the Durrance on DT which is 5.7ish this is a walk in the park. Little exposure, Monster "HOLES" some how perfectly placed.. Rapping down and a family of 5 having a picnic after time tunnel. All other aside in 1911 on the last pitch wearing cowboy boots with a [chisel] and hand drill in the other hand I must say Otto you one crazy REDNECK! Jun 3, 2004
[Hide Comment] The crux move is definitely harder than 5.8. I've done this route 4 times now, and it feels like a burly 9 move to me. With that said, it's a great route that demands a helmet given all the other parties that are going to be going up and down it when you are. It truly is a proud formation, especially when viewed from the east. So good!!!!! Aug 18, 2004
Elijah Flenner
Fort Collins, CO
 
[Hide Comment] After climbing this route on 1/09/06, I wanted to provide a warning on some of the gear mentioned above. The chockstone on pitch 2 is about to fall out. When I got to the chimney, the chockstone was slung with a piece of webbing and a cord. I clipped the cord and pull tested it. The cord ended up at my knees and the chockstone dropped a little bit. It should not be trusted. Fortunately, the gear there is great (I placed a 3.5 and a 4.0 camalot). I also could not find a good placement on the last pitch for a 2.0 tri-cam before the pins. A larger tri-cam might have worked.

Also, it appears that the pins on the last pitch have been recently replaced, but I don't know how recent. They were all shiny and new looking.

In my opinion, the position on the last pitch is great, but the climging is uninteresting due to the drilled pockets. However, without the pockets the climbing would be much harder on the last pitch as well as the second pitch. Jan 9, 2006
Ben Boykin
Cheyenne, WY
[Hide Comment] Suggestion: Somebody take 4 quicklinks up next time you go, to place at the rappel points. They're all singles, just think it'd be prudent to have two links on each rap station, instead of one.

I'll do it if nobody else will. Thanks Mar 27, 2007
[Hide Comment] If anyone is interested in speed climbing possibilities of this route, my friend Andres and I simul-climbed it in 10 minutes and 24 seconds on Nov 9, 07. It could definitely be done in less, I was having to do the mountaineer's rest step on the slab of the last pitch due too lack of cardio fitness. Nov 16, 2007
Ben Kiessel
Durango, CO
[Hide Comment] Hell yeah, Jovan! I wonder what the speed record is? I bet it's been free soloed pretty fast. Nov 17, 2007
[Hide Comment] I don't know. The only other people I know of that have tried speed climbing it did it in twenty something minutes (they couldn't remember, it was back in the late 80s) and 18 minutes. I personally could not go as fast soloing due to no margin for error. (Not that simul-climbing leaves much room either.) Nov 17, 2007
Ben Kiessel
Durango, CO
[Hide Comment] That is a good point, the rock is sandy enough that it is not impossible to slip. Nov 17, 2007
[Hide Comment] Don't get too excited it's been done in well under 10 minutes. Probably gets speed climbed more often than you think. What's the going speed for car to car? Nov 18, 2007
Jesse Zacher
Grand Junction, Co
 
[Hide Comment] Why speed climb the thing at all. One section of 5.8 the rest a sandy mess. Nov 19, 2007
[Hide Comment] Fixed gear alert/info: the second anchor has one of of its two expansion bolts moving around a bit in the hole Nov 21, 2007
[Hide Comment] Ryan, what is the fastest time you've heard of, just curious what the record is? Nov 25, 2007
[Hide Comment] Nothing comfirmed but I've heard of ascents in the 7-9 minute range. Talked with a friend this morning who remembers their time being 8min40sec but it was quite a few years ago. I always remembered him saying 7min something.

Sandy mess, Jesse? It's desert rock, so of course there is sand, but it's got to be one of the cleaner routes in the desert and the climbing throughout is actually quite enjoyable. With the abundant protection and easy climbing, it's perfect for speed climbing. You speed climb to learn specific techniques for moving fast. You learn to be efficient as a team. You learn what is possible which gives you confidence to tackle a more ambitious project. For those who venture onto the larger faces, speed often equals safety and just like everything it must be practiced. Otto's is great practice. There are plenty of big routes around the world that require fast efficient climbing on nothing harder than 5.9. Nov 26, 2007
jbarnum
Denver, CO
[Hide Comment] Climbed it two days ago. Ice at the second belay and getting up into the Time Tunnel. Cold Toes. I was shocked to find foot prints in the snow patches up there. Some wizard left the register open and it was filled with water. I poured it out, however the book and contents are soaked. I did not bring it down since I did not have a bag or anything, and the register might be saved if left to dry out. I am sure it will get replaced this summer, at some point. Just plan ahead with a bag or something. Lot of trash in that box. Mar 13, 2008
[Hide Comment] A most excellent introduction to desert tower climbing. Lots of mellow climbing to get to the last three or four pumpy crux moves (5.8).

Some comments:

We climbed over Labor Day weekend, topping out at 10:30AM. Everything below the last pitch was in the shade the entire time.

A light rack is all you need: singles of BD 0.5 - 4 cams, nothing smaller. Single (or less) set of small/med nuts. 2-3 tricams (black or smaller). Lots of shoulder-length slings.

First pitch seemed harder than I was led to believe, but the hardest moves are no harder than 5.6. Tie in long to the first anchor (chains + piton), and keep going around the corner to a comfy belay stance.

A BD 3 is useful for backing up the chockstone (it's fine, the webbing around it isn't) at the bottom of the p2 OW, a 4 is good higher up. As described in the Supertopo topo, it's possible to stem around the opening of the OW. The climbing is a little more delicate (5.8?), but the significant reduction in the grovel factor is well worth it.

Leave the big gear behind on the ledge at the top of the Time Tunnel. The last two pitches can be done with tricams (I had black, pink, red), a handful of nuts and/or small cams (BD 0.5, 0.75), and a few shoulder-length draws for the fixed gear. (The crux pitch would've been a lot easier without a full set of cams hanging off my shoulder.)

The crux pitch was considerably easier than it looks from the belay. The steps are worn but secure, and there are a couple of tricam placements in the handmade pockets if you desire. The last few moves are well-protected (3x pitons) and juggy. 5.8, but it seemed a little harder after all of the easy climbing leading up to it. Your second will appreciate the use of a long draw on the highest piton.

Following ET's comment, two raps with 2 x 60m ropes leaves 5 feet to spare on the second rap. Watch the loose rock coming down with the rope. Sep 1, 2008
Lynn S
  5.9-
[Hide Comment] Did this today with my 13 year old daughter and 15 year old son, what a treat! We had a great time, only party on the route. I thought the climbing was a blast, I can't wait to go back and do it again.

If you keep out of the OW and stem the holes, the crux is definitely the last moves on the final pitch (Tobin led this). #4 Camalot in the OW is all you need, you can also clip the ratty sling on the chockstone if you want.

I think I placed about 6 pieces of gear on my leads today (#0.75, 2, 3 and 4 Camalots, a green C3 and #4 Stopper), a few long runners and that is about it.

2 60m raps gets your down. Top to the fixed anchor at the bottom of Time Tunnel, then down looker's left to the ground, about 3 feet to spare. You end up 30 yards south of where you started the route.

We did the approach hike in 45 minutes, beautiful hike by the way. Oct 3, 2008
Tobin Sanson
Los Angeles, CA
  5.9
[Hide Comment] So, three or four pieces of gear, a couple draws, and balls of steel will get you through this route pretty well :) Oct 4, 2008
Doug Lintz
Kearney, NE
  5.8
[Hide Comment] Good fun!! Aside from waiting 45 minutes at each belay we had a great time on this classic. All you really need is that #4 Camalot, a few mid-range cams, half-dozen draws, and some steady nerves on the airy last pitch. Mar 23, 2009
Chris M.
Bozeman, MT
[Hide Comment] A 70m rope will get you down with 3 raps. On the last rap just be sure to go straight out and not back down the route. Be sure to knot your ends as it is right to the end of the rope!
Great route: Otto had gorilla balls! May 11, 2009
Cindy Mitchell
Denver, CO
  5.9
[Hide Comment] Very fun route! 2nd pitch OW was the crux for me as it is height dependent. I couldn't reach the second hole on the right side to pull myself up and into the OW.

Last moves on the last pitch were pumpy and the footholds were slick and sandy. The summit is absolutely incredible! Apr 7, 2011
jeremy long
BOULDER CO
  5.9-
[Hide Comment] Fun, fun, fun. Done it twice, will do it again. Bring a blue tricam for the pockets on the last pitch. This route seems to get harder as the pockets erode, but it is still easy 5.9. May 19, 2011
George Bell
Boulder, CO
 
[Hide Comment] Has anyone ever done the last pitch without using any of the pockets? This is a good challenge for bored climbers who think it is too easy using the pockets. Oct 21, 2011
[Hide Comment] Great fun! Exposure really wasn't an issue. Big ledges and chimneys galore. Pitch 1 ended up a little harder than I expected while pitch 2 ended up MUCH easier. And I'm not tall (5'9"), but I was able to reach the HUGE, juggy pockets on both sides and just pull through. The final pitch was harder than I expected it to be. Feet kicking in the air and grunting didn't make it any easier. Finally got my feet to the right side (the slopey pockets were very sandy) and was able to get up. Oct 23, 2011
Josh Allred
Salt Lake City, UT
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] Absolute classic for its history. Unique climbing.

Happy 100 years Otto! Oct 23, 2011
Colten Lay
Moab, UT
  5.9
[Hide Comment] Nice climb! Got a #4 Camalot stuck in the 2nd pitch....
Very sandy last pitch! Jan 3, 2012
rmaultsby
grand junction, co
[Hide Comment] One single 70m rope is enough to get down!!
Rap from summit anchors to Lunchbox Ledge. 3rd class down time tunnel, rap to first pitch anchors. Then rap straight back down to ground. You can make it down with the single 70m. Tie knots to be sure your rope makes it. Mar 18, 2012
Turnbuckle
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] This is a awesome climb and a must do. I climbed this for the first time last month and came back two weeks later to bring another friend up. The first time I climbed this I listened to all the spray about all the gear you need, so I brought a ton of gear only to see the party ahead of me climbing in bare feet with just a set of quickdraws. I would not suggest that to anyone; however, the second time I climbed it I brought a single set of Camalots up to a #4 and some stoppers. You can place a number 4 high on the offwidth and be fine. Thanks to Otto, there are holes everywhere. Do yourself a favor and climb this with a light rack. Oct 23, 2012
Bradley Mark Edwards
Grand Junction, CO
[Hide Comment] Done this four times now, and it's just a pleasure each time. Good fun! Dec 2, 2012
tony m
frisco
 
[Hide Comment] I climbed this route several years ago and it is 1 of my favorites. The moves are all there and the scenery to incredible to describe. Having read some of the history behind this route made it even more enjoyable. I'm not sure what makes this a 9 other than a couple of runout spots that I could have used a tri-cam. I agree with an earlier post that a large rack is not needed. Bring what you are climbing with, and you will enjoy this route. Come early, we got at the base a little before 7am, and by the time we reached the 1st anchors, we saw 2 parties waiting. Feb 22, 2013
climberboy228 Romano
  5.8+ PG13
[Hide Comment] Did this route on Easter 2013...24 hours after doing Castleton's Kor-Ingalls route...this is waaaay easier than Kor-Ingalls! The only hard parts come in very short sections...not sustained at all...lots of rests...hardest part is going to final anchor on slopey feet and a couple drilled pockets for hands...overhung and a bit scary. Historically very cool and unique with all the chops...Otto was a beast! Also, we rapped entire route safely with a 70m rope...just do last rap straight down (climber's right) and not on the route. Apr 1, 2013
mike olsen
Carson City
[Hide Comment] The 1st bolt of the final pitch is hangerless. This makes the initial section of the last pitch quite runout if you can't protect the chipped handholds. The other 3 pitons seem solid. Sep 25, 2013
Tristan Burnham
La Crescenta, CA
[Hide Comment] I brought a second rope but left it at the top of the first pitch and rapped everything with a single 60m and then one double rope from the top of the first. Also I didn't have any tricams, but I found a nice spot for a BD #2 in one of the holes on the last pitch. Nov 16, 2013
Seth williamson
South west Missouri
[Hide Comment] I climbed this route last week and in January. It is the same as it has been for at least a year. There are still plenty of pitons and drilled holes for climbing and protection. I didn't feel a need for gear. A #4 and maybe some tricams would be comforting to the timid. Still a 5.8 climb. All anchors are in good shape. Mar 25, 2014
Peter Blank
Grand Junction, Colorado
 
[Hide Comment] My boy Bryce just led the crux pitch barefoot and skipped clips in 40 mph wind! May 6, 2014
Kris Hjelle
Grand Junction, CO
[Hide Comment] The bolts and pitons are the same as they have been for many years.

However, the big vertical "handlebar hold" between the first and second pitons on the last pitch has broken off. There is now a flat, platform-ish hold which is incut in the back. Please be very careful and do NOT pull OUT on it as it is part of a block that is not firmly attached to the wall - you can see a crack in it. It does make a better foothold than was there before!

Such a fun route!

Kris Hjelle Jul 30, 2014
Carl H.
Connecticut
 
[Hide Comment] Climbed this 9/11/2015. While all but the last pitch are in the shade, plan on a good hour for the approach and likewise for the return to the car which are in full sun. We drank all our water on the hike out and wished we had more. Oct 1, 2015
[Hide Comment] Had a lot of fun on this route yesterday! We misread the descent info and rapped directly to the ground from the bottom of the Time Tunnel with 70m and 60m ropes, my partner realized the 60m was about 20ft off the ground so had to jug his way back up to a ledge to shuffle the ropes, and in the end, both were touching the ground with a few feet to spare. Fortunately I have some basic skills in getting around the knot between the ropes, so all ended fine. There were marks on the rock from ropes being pulled in that direction, so obviously people have rapped that way before (skipping the last rap), but two 60m ropes won't make it! And to downclimb that last 20 ft looked pretty heinous.

We got lucky with how our ropes were situated and didn't have to jug back up at all, hopefully other people don't make this mistake! Jul 18, 2016
angus Morrison
carbondale, colorado
[Hide Comment] Did this yesterday. Perfect weather. Surprisingly uncrowded. Updated with glue-ins now. All the pitons were replaced. Brown and blue tricams still good to have, plus a #4 cam for the wide crack. Much better now. 70m gets you down for sure, much better not needing 2 ropes. Super fun route that I will do again. Sep 26, 2016
[Hide Comment] .8++++. Oct 16, 2016
Michael Drake
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] There are brand new bolts at the belay on top of pitch 2 and protecting the final, overhanging moves on pitch 4.

Thanks so much to whomever placed them since last summer. The old P2 belay bolts could be pulled out by hand and the manky pitons protecting the roof were unnerving. The new hardware is pretty great!

Btw, the offwidth slot on pitch 2 is definitely the crux. A #5 Camalot lets you protect the move at your waist, though. I had to do a totally horizontal kneebar to reach the next pocket/jug!

Oh, and you can also safely rap the whole route with one 70m rope (3 raps). The last rappel is 35m on the nose, so be sure to tie knots and find your middle mark before you rap! Apr 13, 2017
Michael Schneiter
Glenwood Springs, CO
 
[Hide Comment] Glad you appreciate the new hardware. All of the old fixed hardware was replaced with glue-ins through a permit from the National Monument. Hardware was provided by the ASCA safeclimbing.org/, support them whenever you can.

Apr 23, 2017
Michelle Leber
Moab, UT
[Hide Comment] We brought 2 60m ropes, followed ET's rappel beta, and it worked perfectly. One double-rope rappel to the Time Tunnel, very easy scramble down to the 2nd pitch anchor, then a 2nd double-rope rappel to skier's left gets you to the ground. IMHO, probably faster than rappelling with a single 70m. Jun 9, 2017
Matt Aschmann
Fort Collins, CO
  5.9-
[Hide Comment] Great climb! The very last move is very pumpy and made harder by the fact that you've already climbed 4 pitches. The sandstone can also gather quite a bit of dust. The rock at your right foot is almost completely polished clean from smear attempts, making good footing difficult to find to assist with the move. Jun 25, 2017
baffledsloth
  5.9+
[Hide Comment] I climbed it in mid July, 102 degrees out. Started the route at 9am, shade every pitch but the last. I'm a 5.10 sport climber, this was my first multipitch trad route. Overall it was a great experience for a beginner like myself. The last move was definitely harder than I expected. The whole rest of the route felt pretty easy, then that last move really got me pumped. The right foot is so blown out and sandy. Tricams 1.5 - 2 were the most useful piece of gear. Single rack 0.5-4, optional 5 to overprotect the 5.8 OW pitch. Protected the start of the crux pitch with the tricams, otherwise it's pretty runout to the first glue-in bolt (on easy climbing, but still). The tricams definitely got the most use. Rapped the route with a single 70m, and it was perfect. Jul 23, 2017
Matt Castelli
Denver
5.9
[Hide Comment] Classic climb. Totems work great in the holes. G rated if you want it to be (tricams/gotems). Unrope for the time tunnel. Last move is hardest. Two ropes for rappel would be better, but a 70 works. Heard you can combine raps 1/2 but didn't try it. Rap 4 is close, so go straight to the ground, not down pitch 1. Simul rapping just got us down with a 67m rope. Oct 15, 2017
[Hide Comment] So much fun! If I only took one piece it would be a #4 C4
Trip report here rockaroundtheworld.co.uk/20… Sep 7, 2019
ZachDKing
Aspen, CO
[Hide Comment] Suggesting that this is a good solo is IMO inaccurate and misleading. It's super sandy, and if you're gonna take the chances of splatting, why would you do it on this pile?

Other than that, really cool historic route. I also thought 2nd pitch was the crux by a long shot. I regretted bringing two ropes, I felt like I spent more time managing ropes than climbing... Oct 23, 2020
Karl Henize
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] I didn’t have any tricams larger than size 1.5 / Brown and found that there were very few holes that were small enough to take brown tricams.

I found that size 0.75 and 1 Totem cams will fit into many of the holes, but very few of these placements were secure. Larger tricams would have likely been better than Totems for the drilled holes. Unless you have a bunch of size 2 tricams for the drilled holes, the protection is definitely not G rated.

I thought that the #5 cam was quite useful and I placed on 3 pitches. I would definitely bring it again. Although many sources seem to recommend cams from 0.5 to 4 or 5, I would recommend bringing cams from 0.3 to 5, especially if you don’t have size 2 tricams to place in the holes. Size 0.75 and 1 Totems will work in some but not the majority of holes. Apr 3, 2021
Menno Sennesael
Huntsville, UT
[Hide Comment] SANDY! If you have Totems, you don't need tricams. P2 offwidth is heinous with a backpack. Besides that, this route makes for a good lead rope solo if it is not busy. Nov 16, 2021
Aaron Glasenapp
Denver, CO
[Hide Comment] How clean are the pulls on the 2 double rope rappels (top to time tunnel, and P2 anchor to ground)? Are there ledges/bulges that the ropes run over? I'm asking so I can determine if a Beal Escaper is a feasible option instead of bringing 2 ropes, but the Escaper does not work well when the rope pull is not clean. Nov 22, 2021
Michael Schneiter
Glenwood Springs, CO
 
[Hide Comment] Hey Aaron!

The first rappel, from the top to the top of the Time Tunnel is a clean pull. 35 meters. It's best to rappel from the top to a large ledge at the top of the Time Tunnel and then scramble down through the Time Tunnel to the P2 anchor.

The P2 anchor would be a harder pull, and personally I wouldn't trust it with a Beal Escaper. Might work but could be questionable, in my experience, as it's a full 59 meter rappel. The rope runs over a bulge about halfway down plus the rope runs over another bulge at the top of the rappel as the anchor is set back in the large chimney at the top of P2.

If using the Escaper, it might be better to rappel P2 to P1 and then P1 to the ground. P1 to the ground is over 35 meters (it's about 40 meters). You may still have some issues with bulges though as it's not a free hanging rappel, which is where the Escaper works best.

If you know your rope shenanigans, you can rappel the route with one 70 meter rope, just FYI. The trickiest rappel is the last one as it's about 40 meters. If I'm using a 70m, I usually lower the person/people first and then rig a reepschnur. Or, you can do a double rope rappel and then down climb the start of the route (less desirable).

Full disclosure: I own an Escaper but haven't used it a ton and have had issues with it on long (35+ meter) rappels. Nov 23, 2021
j mo
n az
 
[Hide Comment] First, thanks to Michael Schneiter and the ASCA - the anchors on this climb are simply fantastic. Your hard work is appreciated and awesome. 2nd - the good rappel beta is climb on a 70m to rap from top to time tunnel and EITHER leave a tag line or second rope at top of P2/N end of time tunnel anchors OR if there is another party climbing P1 when you arrive, talk them into ditching their 2nd rope and they climb on their 70m, fix it, and single strand rap when they come down to the time tunnel rap and then you come down shortly after while they are snacking packing up, etc., and you rap on two ropes to the ground. Teamwork makes the dream work!!! , and it is dreamy not to mess w a second line….. Mar 27, 2022
[Hide Comment] So good. I brought a standard rack to a number 5 plus a 2nd number 2 and 4, small set of nuts, and tricams. The tricams were really nice in the pockets.

1st pitch is long and ends at three glue in bolts with chains. I placed all my gear on this besides tricams.

2nd pitch has some really fun moves. I protected the crux of getting into the ow with a number 4 and number 5. Really sewed it up good. Used another number 4 and a tricam in a pocket for the exit move out of the OW.

The time tunnel was tight! We unroped.

3rd pitch was fun easy climbing clipping pitons.

4th pitch summit moves were fun. Had both my feet blow out from under me before pulling the move. Cliffhanger!

To the summit, we clove hitched in long and pulled the move then downclimbed back to the belay.

You can rap from the summit to the time tunnel with 1 70m. Then we did a double 70m rap, to the ground, after walking back through the time tunnel to the top of the 2nd pitch.

One of the best desert routes I've climbed. May 4, 2022
Kaleb Schumaker
Leadville, CO
 
[Hide Comment] I found the crux to be offwidth on P2. I would call it 5.9, but I'm a bit fat. May 10, 2022
Tanner James
Sierras
[Hide Comment] I come solemnly bearing terrible news. As of this morning (May22) the summit register is completely destroyed. The can was full of water, and the log book was absolutely demolished, I’m guessing far beyond potential salvation. I don’t wanna be a conspiracy theorist, but the can seemed freshly full of water, and it was completely dry everywhere else. Bummer, because I think summit logs are some of the coolest pieces of history around climbing. I’m uploading a pic of it also. I left it open to hopefully dry out today.

Brought a few cams up and only placed a single #4 once that I backcleaned, and I used 3 draws on pitches 3 and 4 each. The majority of the climbing is 5.easy with 2 5.8 moves on the route. Super easy, straightforward rap with a single 70m for the descent. Awesome climb! May 22, 2022
j mo
n az
 
[Hide Comment] So, Tanner James soloed pitch 1 and nearly all of 2, which is great, but please know that an experienced climber died on the first pitch within the last month or so. Most everyone’s project is someone else’s solo, so just be very honest with yourself, and read the comments carefully and with a grain of salt, self/awareness, and perhaps a smile. May 22, 2022
Kaylee Ludden
Boulder, Co
[Hide Comment] The summit registry is still destroyed, the container it's in has a hole in the bottom, and it needs to be entirely replaced. It has dried out quite a bit, and I verrrrrry carefully opened it up and confirmed this registry was started in early 2021, and the book was only ~25% full. So, a bit of history is damaged but not too much. If anyone has information on earlier registries and could post some pictures here, I'm sure it would be appreciated.

We climbed this on a warm-ish day in early March and were pretty frozen, but we had the route to ourselves. The route was very, very sandy and while very easy, felt insecure. There was a lot of loose rocks on the pitches before and through the time tunnel, and I would hesitate to follow another party up early season. Overall, this route was a blast and a historic journey. Totally unique, and the carved in features make this an absolute romp. How often do you get to pull on giant jugs in the desert?

This would be a great first climb for someone to follow, it would be a terrifying first lead! Especially the heady, easy, runout on the last pitch, wild! Mar 21, 2023
Max Houck
Arvada, CO
[Hide Comment] My partner and I have not done a ton of desert climbing (is this considered desert climbing?), but we were surprised there weren't more comments on how sandy this route was. Felt like we were brushing a ton of sand off of every single hold on the route. The time tunnel was a gully full of soft sand and loose rocks that would rain down on the first two pitches with every step you took through it. Still a fun and unique climb! Glad to see the anchors and bolts all in great shape though - they were all good looking glue-ins. Did not clip any pitons. Apr 30, 2023
Meg A
 
[Hide Comment] Geological time is now, my friends. Nothing quite reminds you of this fact like Otto's. Having done a fair share of desert climbs, this one certainly tops the list for having some seriously suspect rock.

Although fair at the grade, it is a literal sandbag. You may think you've been transported to the fine, white-sand beaches of the Caribbean at times. These piles of dust come from somewhere though...oh wait, it's what you're climbing - great! The anchors were often rather close to actively shedding sandstone or on detaching pillars that will not last forever, but such is the art of climbing in the desert. I did appreciate how the anchors were placed out of the line of fire from your climber and the Time Tunnel's antics.

Although I've only climbed it once, P3 looks like it has had some recent shedding which may have included some of Otto's fine handy work. You've got no choice but to fully weight some hollow stuff that's just waiting to flake off. The best part is the first bolt is a cozy neighbor to this XL xylophone key - spicy. The bottom of P2 has the same feel, but the climbing is a bit easier thankfully.

Trusting ANY gear felt tough given the nature of this kind of sandstone. Tricams were a bit helpful - but as someone who's in a long-term serious relationship with these wonderful pieces, best case they were very tipped out and placed in an "eh, it's better than nothing" kind of way. Took doubles of blue and brown, but most holes were a little too large for any kind of real comfort.

A 70m does reach the ground if you go straight down from the top of P1 - meaning the ends touch the ground, but knot them anyway. Based on comments here, we thought we would have to do some rap nonsense, but luckily Otto's gave us a break at the end.

With that being said, it's a unique route. Certainly, its own kind of special adventure as far as desert towers go. Absolutely stunning - the valley is in bloom right now, but overall I think there are better towers that offer a little more comfort and aren't actively shedding on you. Definitely not for the beginner. 2.5-star climbing (only thanks to the upper pitches) and a 3-star experience, IMO. There was no summit register - shame. May 9, 2023
[Hide Comment] I can confirm Tanner James’ beta. A few draws (1 for a piton on the first pitch and 3-4 for the last pitch) and a #4 cam for the second pitch felt super safe enough if you’re comfortable at the grade. Since it’s 2023 and I don’t know many people with tricams, 0.75 Z4 cams would probably work well to sew up the route by using the drilled pockets. Also everything is covered in lots of sand. May 16, 2023
Michael Schneiter
Glenwood Springs, CO
 
[Hide Comment] A new summit register box was placed on the summit yesterday.

The rockfall from this winter/early spring was significant. Two massive boulders at the base of the Time Tunnel are gone, and there's a lot of carnage in its place, with a lot of loose rock and sand, that will continue to come down the two lower pitches. We put some effort into stabilizing and cleaning things yesterday, but a lot more is to be done. Be careful if climbing below others on the first two pitches as the sandy slope at the base of the Time Tunnel (at the second anchors) is going to take a long time to stabilize and clean up. May 22, 2023
Ellen S
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] After holding onto tricams #1.5, 2, 2.5 for over a year specifically for climbing this route, I am now selling them (or preferably only 2 of them, I'd like to hold onto either the 2 or 2.5).

Really you don't need them if you're comfortable running it out on Flatiron-like terrain, but if you want them for piece of mind, see my for sale post.

FYI, the "drilled angles" on the crux pitch have been replaced with modern, bolts, basically sport-placed to give you very high pro at the cruxes. On the downside, I couldn't figure out a way to climb the crux withut using a foothold that also happened to have a bolt on it that I couldn't avoid touching with my foot.... Oct 10, 2023
Nathanael Kerber
Denver, CO
 
[Hide Comment] If you have to resort to aid ladders to make it up a 5.8 free climb, maybe it's time to pull some plastic for a while before you waste everyone else's time on a trade route. That was a new low to observe and be stuck behind. Awesome chunk of stone though! Mar 8, 2024
Amy Zalazar
Denver, CO
[Hide Comment] As an average but experienced climber, my thoughts are I would have loved to have a number 5 for the second pitch. The #4 on the 5.8 is good (tested with accidental whip), a 5 would have sewed it up. I brought a #0.5 to #4, I did not place any tricams (I only carried a brown), a #0.75 plus another for a mental piece. I agree with those who feel it is hard for the grade but fair for a desert tower. I recommend belaying for the second pitch to the far right under the roof, because rockfall from the climber above was quantifiable. The approach took us 1h 15m on a good trail. Temps were 55 high and overcast, no wind, it was comfortable with my puffy (I'm not one of those the colder the better climbers). I carried up a backpack without regret, but be prepared to hang it between your legs for portions of the climb. Click on Google maps link for getting there, and it will take you to the other end of the trailhead, if you follow the directions from Google. Description directions written in MP are spot on. I hope this might be useful info for others. Mar 28, 2024