Type: Boulder
FA: [Jay Droeger]
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Shared By: Peter Franzen on Sep 23, 2001
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'Turning Point' lies on top of the BBC (Best of Boulder County) boulder in the Satellites. The BBC is the enormous flat-topped boulder that lies on the right side of the trail as you're going up. Turning Point is hard to miss- it's the obvious problem that starts low on the severely overhanging boulder on the top of the BBC.

Start low on the good crimps under the roof, and move your hands out onto the slopers on the face. Use some sneaky foot-beta and hand sequences to get to the arete, bump out left, then fire for the top! This is truly one of the greatest boulder problems in the area, and is not to be missed. The rock is flawless, and the problem is one of the most aesthetic anywhere.


At least 1 crashpad is recommended here. Another one or two might be nice to cover up the huge crack below the last part of the problem.
In all honestly, this problem is probably V7 nowhere near V9. Apr 22, 2003
Hey, AC - I think we all realize that bouldering grades are subjective. This is exactly the reason why we need other people's inputs. If several people suggest grades, a compromise can be made in the middle somewhere. I don't thing AC #2 was trying to be a jerk about it, he was just throwing out his impression of the climb. Oct 27, 2003
I agree, ratings are subjective. However, that said, I have not know anyone who has done this problem and called it V9. Jan 31, 2004
Why is everyone so hard on this problem. If it were graded V7/8, then no one would give a shit about it. If you have the ability to look past the grade, then this problem is not that bad. Its just that everyone seems to care a whole lot more about whether it is V9 V7 than about if it is a good problem. Feb 1, 2004
Brandon English  
This is a fantastic problem. Along with Hank's Boulder in the Poudre, this is one of the most aesthetic problems in the Front Range. Perched up on the BBC boulder with a great view of the Flatirons and Boulder. Fun and challenging moves. The crimp-rail is a little tough on the skin, but other than that the rock is great. The grade is irrelevant. Apr 5, 2007
Boulder, CO
Hamlet73   Boulder, CO
This is a very aesthetic problem and who cares if it is V7, V8 or V9. It is a cool problem and a beautiful line. Why as climbers we do not concentrate on just this?!?! Oct 3, 2007
Tony B
Around Boulder, CO
Tony B   Around Boulder, CO
So that we can focus on problems that we might reasonably climb....
I.e.- a V7 is in my range. V9, not without a lot of work, and I don't do projects....
Hope that doesn't disturb anyone, but I like to know how hard something is before I walk a few miles to try it. Oct 3, 2007
Just to check my bouldering-to-routes calibration:


Right? Oct 4, 2007
Boulder, CO
Helldorado   Boulder, CO
My friends and I always called this line The Taxing Point, because you can never have it to yourself. It can be especially greasy in the summer because EVERYONE has to tax on The Taxing Point. Apr 25, 2010
Jarred S.
Wilkes-Barre, PA
Jarred S.   Wilkes-Barre, PA
Nice problem. Just keep loose towards the top. May 18, 2010
I know that everyone is saying not to talk about the grade on this, but honestly...it is V7/8.
The only reason it's V9 is because when Jay got the first ascent he bypassed many of the slopers on the right side of the boulder, making some desperate moves to the "turning point". Hence the name. Since then, people have brushed the shit out of the slopers until they were pretty usable, and with the right foot beta, it makes the line much more doable. Hence the downgrade.
Now will everyone stop complaining about it? It's a rad climb! Jul 28, 2010
Joe Collins
Joe Collins  
This is harder than Hueco's Mushroom Roof, which has been called the standard for V8 for 3 decades. Nowhere near V7. Nov 23, 2010
John Harkins
John Harkins   Colorado
Just comparing with other problems in The Satellites, it's definitely harder than Captain Hook, and I'd say that's V8. But I understand it's hard for a lot of you kids to get stronger and forget what grades are, lol. It's V8+/9 maybe. Sep 19, 2011
Flagstaff, AZ
dlsask   Flagstaff, AZ
I've never been to Boulder and have no opinion of this climb other than it looks like fun in the photos. I'm just impressed that this conversation is almost a decade old! Jan 30, 2012
Cesar Valencia  
Finally got it! Amazing problem.

youtube.com/watch?v=oqnlEgm… Mar 28, 2012
Ian Miller
St. Mary
Ian Miller   St. Mary
It seems like the start hold is flexing a good bit, though it's hard to tell how much risk there is of it blowing. Does anyone know anything about that or else what the area ethics are on reinforcing holds? Aug 30, 2018