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5.7 Cracks T 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13
Boulder Exit 9 T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Edward's Crack T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Edward's Crack, Left Exit T 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c PG13
Edward's Crack, Right Friction Finish T 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a PG13
Foolishness T 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c
Fourth Of July Crack (Hard Promises) T 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Friction Slide T,S,TR 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c
Friday's Follies aka Water Streak T,TR 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a PG13
Gill Seam, The V3 6A
Heroes Become Weak V3 6A
In Through The Out Door (formerly entered as Water Streak II) T,S 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Jabberwocky V8 7B
Jacquot's Face T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Jake Direct T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Jake's Variation S 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b R
Mantle Route AKA Koedt's Route TR 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a R
Mary V7+ 7A+
Ripmaster T 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Satterfield's Crack T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Sisca Face T 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Tourist Trap T 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c
Walt's Wall T 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c
Weak Become Heroes V10 7C+
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Description

Edward's Crack is THE must do route on Walt's Wall. It's hard to miss this vertical crack running the length of Walt's Wall from top to bottom that roughly divides the wall in half. Edward's climbs the wall in two fun pitches and ends with a fun ten-foot off-width crack on top.

P1. Begin just left of the two bolts that mark the Friction Slide (5.8) in a dihedral at the center of the wall. Work up and into the left-trending hand crack that has bomber protection along its entire length. Climb the crack up to a narrow ledge. Move from the ledge up and left to the main crack (good friction moves). Continue along this crack to a good belay ledge about half way up.

P2. One of the best pitches at Veedauwoo. Continue up the main crack to a slightly overhanging ten-foot off-width. The crack is a little easier if you're smaller and can fit up into it, otherwise stem and find some interesting holds up above the crack and pull through. Belay off a pine tree at the top of the wall and descend as for Walt's Wall Route. Great route!

Protection

Standard rack up to a #3 or #3.5 Camalot.

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Petsfed
Laramie, WY
  5.7
Petsfed   Laramie, WY
  5.7
1) Historically (that is, going by guidebooks that date back to the '70s) the first pitch ends at the obvious ledge at half height.
2) You can do the entire climb on a 60m rope if you belay on gear above the overhang. You can't reach the tree with a 60m, but you don't need to. Aug 11, 2017
Ben Peterson  
 
Just to clarify a few things about the route: the first pitch ends under the obvious overhang. You can do it all in one pitch with a 70m but not a 60m, we tried unknowingly. Doing it in one pitch does have decent rope drag. The rap anchors are not obvious, they are tucked quite low below all the boulders and at the top of the slab that is Walt's Wall Route to climber's right about 30-50 feet from the top of Edward's Crack. It's an awesome climb! Aug 10, 2017
Ben D.
Colorado
Ben D.   Colorado
Fun climb. I agree with the others that the crux (for me) was the start. That being said, I tried to climb it like an offwidth, using the hidden crack inside the start like a lieback. Looking back, I would have done a righthand sidepull w/a lefthand pseudo-mante,l working smearing feet up the initial 10-15 feet up to the rest spot (this is what my 2nd did). After that, it's a cruiser to the roof (2nd pitch, route's 2nd crux) at the end. I found it easier to go left in at the 2nd crux (end of P2), wiggle/stem my way up the roof, and pull it using the big, hidden hold on the face (climber's right). Overall, a fun climb, though, the approach doesn't make it re-doable, IMO.

One additional note for CO climbers, others have said that this is on par with Calypso at Eldo. I would say this is much harder than Calypso, more in line with Vershneidung. Jun 25, 2017
Led this one this past October. Very fun route. I agree with those saying the start is harder than the supposed crux - the P2 crux. On the first 20', there is a crack within the crack, and it takes gear well. My first piece was essentially blind, but I could see that the second was very good.

After the ledge above the start, the rest is basically a scramble until the P2 crux.

I also agree with those who say not to put a #4 in there, as it will get in the way. I got some good pieces in just below the move and was fine.

Instead of belaying off the tree, I made a gear anchor in the low-angle crack above the P2 crux. That made communication much easier. Wyoming is infamous for its wind, and if you belay from the tree, it is highly likely that you and your partner will not be able to hear each other. Dec 3, 2016
tkessel Kessel
Windsor,CO
  5.7+
tkessel Kessel   Windsor,CO
  5.7+
Such a fun cruiser line! Good gear to be had all the way up. Nov 13, 2016
RyanSender
  5.7
RyanSender  
  5.7
This was my first time to the area. It was a great climb. The start of the route seemed harder than the upper section. Either way, totally worth waiting in line for. Oct 19, 2016
Tom Gnyra

  5.6
Tom Gnyra    
  5.6
Simply beautiful. Single rack to #3 Camalot is fine for even the top. Lots of chocks. Aug 3, 2015
Petsfed
Laramie, WY
  5.7
Petsfed   Laramie, WY
  5.7
Jen, just to clarify: is the rap to the climber's right, or to the skier's right? If it's the climber's right, the Walt's Wall rappels are quite a bit further than 30 feet. Look for the rock tunnel, go through it to reach the top of the Walt's Wall slabs, and keep walking until you encounter the bolts. You can do 3 rappels with a 50m rope to get back to the ground. With 2 60m ropes (with rope stretch, tie knots in the end of your rope), you can do it in one, but some care must be taken when pulling to not get caught on the Walt's Wall flakes. I typically have the last person rap to just the top of the first pitch of Walt's Wall, pull the ropes, and rap from there. Jul 20, 2014
JLV
San Francisco, CA
 
JLV   San Francisco, CA
 
Do it in one long pitch. Then rap about 30 feet left. Tied two ropes to rap however there's two rap stations if using one rope. Jul 19, 2014
cstebbins024
Laramie, WY
  5.7
cstebbins024   Laramie, WY
  5.7
I managed to get a #0.5 Black Diamond x4 stuck just before the top crux. If you managed to get it out and feel generous enough to give it back, let me know. Otherwise, congrats on scoring a brand new cam! Jul 9, 2014
Petsfed
Laramie, WY
  5.7
Petsfed   Laramie, WY
  5.7
There are NO BOLTS on Edward's Crack. If you have to bail after the first pitch, downclimb to the big ledge and walk/scramble over to the anchors on the first pitch of Walt's Wall.

You may want a belay for the final move before you're back on the ledge. Oct 9, 2013
Does this route have a bolted belay stance at the halfway ledge? When we did this, we were on a tight time frame and could only do p1, and I built an anchor with a sling over the spike in the crack, and a few pieces. Didn't see any metal but wanted to make sure. Oct 9, 2013
NickinCO
colorado
  5.6
NickinCO   colorado
  5.6
Climbed it yesterday as my first climb at Vedauwoo. Nothing felt harder than 5.6. Did as one pitch with a 70m rope and about 30' of rope left. A 60m would probably make it. Didn't use anything bigger than a #2 either. Jun 3, 2012
jake marlow
laramie
 
jake marlow   laramie
 
Climbed this under the full moon this weekend (4/7). I'd say 5.7 with a headlamp and 5.8 if you turn it off. Really the only hard part at night is the start because the moon is blocked by the boulder against the wall. Super fun!! Apr 8, 2012
luke M  
My thoughts? Epic classic. I, personally, think that the start is the crux, and I wouldn't call it 7-, I'd call it solid 7. Most of the gear beta presented is spot on, and definitely bring a #4 Camalot for the roof, it was made for it (that said plenty of placements for 2 and 3s). Also, don't be intimidated by the roof. There are bomber hands in and above the offwidth, and this can be done with minimal, if any, arm-barring and body camming (offwidth tech). One section I haven't seen mentioned, there is a spot on the main crack of P1 that widens. I'd call it a 5.6 or 5.7 move surmounting it, but there's bomber gear above and below it so no sweat. If doing this climb in 2 pitches, save some hand-sized and small-hand-sized (#1, 2, and 3 Camalot) gear for the P1 anchor. Last, but far from least, I suggest anchoring to the tree and extending your tie-in about 25 ft so that you can sit down above the roof and see your climber and belay from your harness (I'm a Munter man myself, but here a harness belay is appropriate). This reduces drag and eliminates the otherwise substantial communication issue. Cheers. Jun 2, 2011
It can be done in one long pitch with not too much rope drag so long as you don't place in the first little crux. Just run it to the main crack system and extend everything. Dec 17, 2010
Rodger Raubach  
  5.7
This may be the Vedauwoo "all time classic" route. There are 3 different finishes to the climb, but the most aesthetic line goes straight up through the big overhang at the top to keep the 5.7+ rating.

The right exit is about 5.5, and the left exit the same. Neither is very well-protected and can be a bit scary for the unwary. I've done all finishes several times, and recommend the direct finish for the most fun. Sep 16, 2010
Chris Chaney
Stanton, Kentucky
  5.7
Chris Chaney   Stanton, Kentucky
  5.7
Left side in is the key. We broke it up into two pitches just for fun and I watched my partner leading it that way, so I made sure to clean and stick everything on the right side. Made the finish very enjoyable. Jul 25, 2010
Petsfed
Laramie, WY
  5.7
Petsfed   Laramie, WY
  5.7
Well, there's the standard way, which is pretty bleedin' apparent, and the route taken by people who parked down at the Turtle Rock Trailhead thinking that since it was closer to the base of the climb, it would be easier. Start from the Gazebo, approach as for Fall Wall, but cut left under Mainstreet and follow the embarrassingly worn trail to the base of the route. Aug 27, 2009
Top Rope Hero
Was Estes Park, now homeless
  5.6
Top Rope Hero   Was Estes Park, now homeless
  5.6
I'm gonna go with DanMoore and call this a 5.6. Eldo's Calypso (a 5.6 that I call 5.7)...yah,that's probably a grade stiffer than Edward's.(Just do your comparison shopping: Send Mother 1,a "5.7+"
and try, if you think you really can, to make the case that they're anything close to the same grade. Let's face it--there's a reason the big, bad V suffers from big, bad re-grading controversy--both up and down. And it's not because subsequent, out-of-state climbers
are any less skilled, any less objective in how they grade climbs.)

To be fair, I'm tall, and I've got monkey arms, so I'm sure that makes a difference on this one; my slightly shorter partners did struggle a bit at the topout. But then I stayed out on the outside while both of them squeezed as much as they could inside the OW roof.

Good times, for sure, this Edward's crack. The crux, actually, probably comes when finding safe passage up to the climb, without an effing carin in sight. (Is there some strange, state prohibition? Run out of rocks, Laramie? How many furlongs must one travel before spying one of these rare, elusive beasts?) Aug 27, 2009
Petsfed
Laramie, WY
  5.7
Petsfed   Laramie, WY
  5.7
After watching the mistake 5 or 6 times, I have to give a bit of beta for the final section. Don't worry, its not onsight blowing. From the nice ledge before the final crux, a lot of people will belay, thinking they'll want more gear in the crux. You don't. You really don't. Rack your stoppers, and a single set of cams from like #1.5 Friend up to #3.5 Friend (like #0.75 to #3 C4s) and put it all on your right side. Whatever you do, do NOT put any gear in the main crack during the crux. It will be in your way and really won't protect you any better than any of the other gear around there. Considering the best way to do the crux, putting gear in the main crack could (and probably would) cause an upside down fall, and you'll sling it long enough that it provides no real benefit over protecting, say, to one side. Mar 22, 2009
Joey Wolfe
  5.6
Joey Wolfe  
  5.6
If you have a 70m I'd do this as one pitch, but if you feel the need to sew it up you will probably get crazy rope drag. I did it as one pitch and probably put in 6 pieces and didn't have any trouble with drag. Try not to place pro till high in the beginning. This is a great one to just keep going, in 1 pitch is the way to go! Oct 11, 2007
JacobD
Flagstaff, AZ
5.6
JacobD   Flagstaff, AZ
5.6
Jason, glad to hear you made it! I think you might have been the group behind us with the dogs. We were kind of worried for you guys when the weather came in. Aug 11, 2007
Paul, it almost sounds like it was me you saw climbing only this was about two weeks ago. For us the storm came from the north cuz we definately didn't see the it coming. The first pitch was awesome! It didn't start raining till I was about 1/2 way up the second pitch. While climbing the second pitch it must have rained an inch in a 1/2 hour (all while drowning my partner Mollie). It made the crux and raps very memorable! After we got down we watched another guy in jeans and smoking do the 1st pitch in about 5 minutes and the second in about 1/2 that. It made my 1st beer very tasty about an hour later! Aug 9, 2007
Paul Huebner
Portage, WI
  5.7
Paul Huebner   Portage, WI
  5.7
This was my 1st lead (7/96) at the Voo. Memorable fun climb! Getting off the ground was the crux for me. I remember placing small cam for upward pull right where I wanted to put my hand. I also remember losing a new #5 nut as it dropped into where the crack opens up on the bottom midway up the 1st pitch. I had nothing that would reach it. Other memory is of watching from under the shelter of bathroom roof -- a guy lead the 1st pitch just as mega thunderstorm moved in from the south (i.e. approach was very visible). By the time he belayed up his significant other, it was really pouring and there was lots of lightning. Unbelievably, instead of rapping off from the 1st belay, he proceeded to do the 2nd pitch. Meanwhile, she's drowning under waterfall that poured down the route the whole time he was struggling to continue up. His buddies below didn't say a word, and we left because it was just too hard to witness. I wonder what she had to say to him if she survived? Aug 4, 2007
climber73
Fort Collins, CO
  5.7
climber73   Fort Collins, CO
  5.7
Did this route in 1 pitch with a 60 meter rope. I slid gear up the crack for 10+ feet in a few places to save gear. There is a great belay at the top. The only 5.7 on the route was at the very start and at the small roof... but this was also my first route at Vedauwoo. May 12, 2007
Merlin
Grand Junction
  5.6
Merlin   Grand Junction
  5.6
Very little 5.7 on this route, maybe 4 or 5 moves. The rest is 5.4-5.6; just don't clip pro over your thigh on the exit, like I did. I think 5.7- is a good rating. In any event, it is a great route. Sep 28, 2006
Petsfed
Laramie, WY
  5.7
Petsfed   Laramie, WY
  5.7
If you go right hand into the final crack section, the crux is 5.9, at least. So be smart, go left handed. If you're really feeling cooky, you can score a really high heel and toe and pretend (however briefly) that you're on Squat. Apr 5, 2006
Buff Johnson
  5.7
Buff Johnson  
  5.7
Fun intro to this place, and fun any other time also. Didn't need to tape up, good smooth handcrack. Screwed myself in the crux (what is called the roof of P2) by using a #4 Camalot in the OW; had a pink tri-cam solid before committing, but threw the #4 in anyway & it ended up getting in my way. I wiggled out with a heel-toe (or opposed smears - I can't remember - I was more upset with myself for slotting the #4). Most of this climb is 5.4 to 5.5; except the crux, which they put at the hard part of the climb (I hate it when they do that! - But look on the upper face to the right for a key hold). Jan 23, 2006
Tim Silvers  
 
Really fun route. Hardest lead I've done so far (I'm working my way up). A #9 hex slotted sideways protects the Offwidth/overhang near the top of P2 perfectly. Have fun! Aug 9, 2004
Dustin Bauer
  5.6
Dustin Bauer  
  5.6
A must, must do a crack climb that even a face climber like I felt comfortable a wonderful intro to the Voo. A wonderful first lead for a confident climber. I almost do EC every time I go to the Voo. Enjoy!!! Jun 19, 2004
Young Fart
  5.7
Young Fart  
  5.7
This was my first time to the V. This was a great climb for me. I weigh 280 pounds and for me to do that was just great. Everyone should do that one. Apr 20, 2004
One pitch with a 200' rope was not a problem. Just work out belay signals with the secnd because you are out of sight over the bulge and out of earshot if there is any wind. Also if you are doing it in one pitch watch the rope after the normal first belay ledge, the crack is deep and will eat the rope and give you more drag than you might like on the bulge move. Aug 28, 2003
Jake Wyatt
Longmont, CO
 
Jake Wyatt   Longmont, CO
 
Why avoid crack/offwidth-ing the start of the first pitch? It's the best part! Aug 14, 2003
Petsfed
Laramie, WY
  5.7
Petsfed   Laramie, WY
  5.7
If you have a 60m rope, I can think of no reasonable reason not to do this in one pitch (you need a 60 as the crack is 180 feet or so). It doesn't break up the easy jamming through out and leads to a lot less fuss. Also, belay just above the "roof" with the 9 and 10 hexes and a big nut. Belaying from the tree has waaaay too much rope drag and you'll have difficulty hearing your second. As for the opening section, its been my experience to simply run it out to the hand crack itself as stopping to place gear would be more trouble than its worth. Jul 17, 2003
Ernie Port
Boulder, Colorado
Ernie Port   Boulder, Colorado
Good point Darrin, on trying to do the OW moves for more fun at the top. I admit my skills in that area are pretty rusty, and I'll be the first to admit that I'll grab a jug if I know one's there. So my previous comments are for those who may not have the best OW technique, and would rather just avoid the squeeze moves. On P1 its pretty hard not to squeeze up the first 10', but the fun layback is right as you exit the OW start. Jun 16, 2003
There you go, ruining the fun for everyone. The OW on the top is 7-, or harder if you actually try to do OW moves. And if you don't climb the OW/squeeze on the first pitch, you're missing out. Jun 16, 2003
Ernie Port
Boulder, Colorado
Ernie Port   Boulder, Colorado
The beta for P2 is knowing their's a big knob above the OW crack for the right hand. Its bomber, and there's a nice undercling hold down in the crack for the left hand. Hang on and advance those feet. I thought that move was fairly graded at 7-. The start of P1 is a pretty cool layback and and takes #1 & #2 camalots. Fun route! Jun 14, 2003

 
Maybe the 7- rating comes from those people who actually try and offwidth/crack climb the first pitch . . . . Suckers! :-_ Jun 2, 2003
Hi,

I was wondering what othr folks thought of this route's rating. Is it really a 5.7? It felt much like Calypso to me, which is 5.6.

Thanks,Dan Jun 1, 2003
The first pitch is pretty boring, but the pay off is the second pitch which is also mundane until you hit the overhanging part with the offwidth cleft. Fear not my friend and stem on up and fire it. A great move with decent exposure-can protect with a big hex if you want to leave the big cam at the base. Also, bring along lots of bigger Cams for this place 2 #4's would have been nice to have. I'll be back. May 19, 2003
Michael Walker
Loveland, CO
Michael Walker   Loveland, CO
After fleeing a rainsoaked Utah last week, our beaten party pulled off the highway and wham-bam-booey, minutes later our tour was saved from disaster - we were climbing this classic route in the sun. A must do for the start or end to any roadtrip going north. For that matter so is most of Vedauwoo.

Scott's suggestion to cruise the starting layback to rests before placing pro is spot on, and I found a #4 had great character to protect the next couple moves into the stellar handcrack. We had just had a rainstorm pass over as we geared up at the base before the sun came out (rainbow and all) so the opening moves of the slab where intense, but a blindly placed, yet bomber green alien really saved the day in the lowest part of the seam. The super fun roof of the second pitch could be attacked in a number of ways, I found semi-chimney moves to be quite a pleasant change from the quartzite of the Wasatch.

This is a classic and everyone knows it, but luckily you can view the queue from the parking lot. Again, that's the glory of V - you can just cruise to something else if deep; it's all right there. Sep 11, 2002
Great climb. the start looks intimidating, but is really fun and not too hard. just jam and layback the handcrack in the dihedral, smear your left foot, and work your way up. placing gear in that first 10 feet would be incredibly awkward--a local gave me the suggestion to just climb up to where you can get a great rest with your right foot in one of the horizontal breaks in the right-hand wall of the dihedral, with your left foot still smearing--now put in your first piece. I liked the first pitch way better then the second--but thats probably because it started pouring rain once i was right under the OW section--made for a soggy, memorable finish, however! my follower got to swim up the crack (river) on her way up. if that short OW section is not your bag (its not bad at all really, and only a bit of OW moves are needed) you can exit either right or left. right goes either up from the belay past a couple bolts (rating?) or traverses right from main crack, across a low angle slab up to a small L facing dihedral. this sucks as the rope drag is horrendous and the "handcrack" in the corner is just a poorly protected seam. left exit goes left along a horizontal break (10 ft below offwidth slot), making your way up the slabs wherever it is easiest. Aug 27, 2002
I have to agree with the set of stoppers and full moon ascent! absolutely outstanding. Mar 18, 2002
This was my first lead back when I didn't have a clue what I was doing (not like I do now either) and I had almost nothing for gear. So what does one do when he has no gear? Climb on my friend. I placed maybe three pieces on P1 and about 4 on P2. It's almost impossible to fall off this route so it doesn't really matter. I think it's just great fun. Dec 11, 2001
This climb is a good one for sure. You can even play the local's game with your best girl and place as few pieces as possible (usually around 3-4) in one sixty meter pitch. Leave the #3 Camalot at home and do it all with a set of stoppers. Also, a popular free solo under a full moon. Sep 7, 2001
Scott Hansen
Westminster, CO
Scott Hansen   Westminster, CO
Steve's description is right on. This is a must do route for anyone. The crux moves at the top can be easily protected with a #3-3.5 Camalot. The rest of the route pretty much eats pro anywhere you want it. I would recommend placing a piece of gear in the top of the crack, mid-way up the first pitch, to keep the rope from falling into the crack. Also, if you don't mind a bit of scramblling, a great alternative rap is from the top of 4th of July Crack from a 2 bolt anchor. One double rope rap will put you on the ground and avoids traffic on Walt's Wall. Jul 31, 2001