Type: Trad, 80 ft
FA: Stuart Ruckman, Gordon Douglass 1987
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Shared By: Nathan Fisher on May 24, 2005
Admins: Andrew Gram, Nathan Fisher, Perin Blanchard, grk10vq

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This climbs the lichen-covered, broken, loose, rotten, and hard to protect face just left of Leftoverture. Run it out for 30 feet, and then start following whatever cracks seem worthy of your protection until you climb through the small roof band. Above this band there seemed to be some horizontal cracks worthy of protection, but by this time I had bailed left to the new route's anchors just right of Chambered Nautilus. I may try again on the day I want to die. Again, maybe a bit harsh, but I would definitely give this route two thumbs down.


Bring a prayer, because not much else protects this choss-pile. That might be a little strong, but this is one of the worst routes I have done in the Cottonwoods. A #5 Camalot (I don't have one) would protect the small roof. Other than that creative nutting and some small cams will help. A .75 Camalot was the only good piece I placed and it was my first at 30 feet off the ground. No anchors, so bring gear for make-your-own anchors.


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susan peplow
Joshua Tree
susan peplow   Joshua Tree
I didn't find this route to be dirty, rotten or loose. Or for that matter difficult to protect. To the contrary, it was a nice .8 which I wouldn't have normally gotten on aside from the crowds had much of the other lines occupied.

This route is located between Chambered Natilus and Leftoverture and is a face. Otherwise, the rest of the description doesn't much apply.

A handful of bolts protect this nice low angle line to a chain anchor.

Enjoy :) Jun 26, 2009
Brian in SLC
Sandy, Utah
Brian in SLC   Sandy, Utah
Susan, my bet is you did Sweet and Low. Bolted face? Just right of the semi chossy lookin' corner (Birth Simulater)? That's it.
Cheers! Jul 3, 2009
Brian in SLC
Sandy, Utah
Brian in SLC   Sandy, Utah
I don't think so. I've always thought Strong Persuader was to the right of that tree at the base, and, very much closer to Leftoverture.

Been a work in progress over a season or two? Jun 11, 2010
Tara Hansen  
I thought it was fun, I believe there are 2 bolts to 2 bolt anchors. I thought these were pretty necessary as it is difficult to protect ie I used 2 draws for the bolts then 2 small nuts. 1 at the bottom and the second in a crack hidden by grass. Very run out, but if you're a confident .10 climber you're good to go! May 28, 2014
Rochelle S
Salt Lake City, UT
Rochelle S   Salt Lake City, UT
You can walk over from Sweet n low's chains with an extra rope to setup a top rope on these chains. With it setup as a top rope, I took the line of least resistance (slightly left of the tree), and wouldn't rate it about a 5.6. Jul 12, 2014