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Routes in Mean Mistreater Wall

Beautiful Flyaway T 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b R
Crab Corner T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Crab Legs T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Crab Salad T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Dr. Crusher S 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Easy Slider T 5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ 20 E3 5b R
Feelin' Fertile S 5.10c/d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b PG13
German American Club S 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
Grace Slick S,TR 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c
International Inquirer T 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c
Irrational Inquirer T 5.11b/c 6c+ 23 VIII- 24 E4 6a R
Loonatic Fringe S 5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ 20 E3 5b
Mean Mistreater T,S 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
Pegasus T 5.11c 6c+ 24 VIII- 24 E4 6a
Rich and Dave Route T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Sixy Lady S,TR 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Steppin in the Slide Zone T 5.11- 6c 22 VIII+ 22 E3 5c R
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Type: Trad, Sport, 170 ft, 2 pitches
FA: unknown
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Shared By: Wes Turner on Apr 8, 2004 with updates from CASA Climbing Assn. of So. AZ
Admins: Luke Bertelsen, JJ Schlick, Greg Opland

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This route is located in the middle of the Mean Mistreater formation. --Starts with a bolt up high and goes straight up face to a finger crack at top of P1 to chain anchors. --P2 head out right and then up to bolt 1 then back left to bolt 2. A fall at the crux could be a bad one because of the ledge. Tricky sequence on this crux so watch the fall. then up crack to short face and chain anchors. --This is an excellent climb in a beautiful setting. A true Mt. Lemmon classic. What a blast!!


mixed route(around 4 or 5 bolts).. 2 pitches with chain anchorsquickdraws, nuts, cams to #1 (including the tiny stuff)

Bolts and top-anchors updated by CASA in 2017.


jbak .
jbak .   tucson,az
4 or 5 bolts ? Did some get added ? I only remember 2, one on each pitch. Feb 13, 2006
Daniel Cohn
Daniel Cohn  
Amazing route. There are 2 bolts on each pitch. The crux is bolt protected but I don't think it would be that hard to protect using the crack. Oct 6, 2007
Mark and Stacy Egan  
I placed a number 0 TCU in the bottom side of the vertical crack at the crux on pitch 2 to avoid hitting the ledge if I pitched off. The TCU was about 2 feet above the bolt. Since I didn't fall, the placement went untested. --Mark Oct 21, 2007
1Eric Rhicard
1Eric Rhicard   Tucson
It isn't a sport route. If you are short 5'6" or less getting to the crack above the bolt is easier if you take an indirect (farther from the bolt) path. The crack mentioned in the previous comment takes a bomber stopper too. Nov 14, 2007
"..Not sure why it was set up to be done in two. ... rope drag ... I'll bring a four foot sling"

Seems like you answered your own question.
FAers don't have the beta and looking up at this with the existing rope drag would make most leaders (back then at least) decide it's a good spot to belay. Apr 27, 2010
John Steiger  
The FA (1976) was Steve Grossman, who I think was a senior at Tucson High School at the time, and Rich Thompson, whose boundless enthusiasm for climbing inspired a generation of Tucson climbers. There is a direct finish, which leaves the finishing crack of the original line maybe 25-30 feet before the top, and climbs the headwall to the right – worth doing, 5.10b (FA John Sherman – yes, the Verm, 1984). There was also at one time a 5.10 R/X variation that went straight up from the belay bolts atop the first pitch to the second bolt on the second pitch, first climbed by Charlie Rollins (another exceptional climber) in 1979, but some folks in 1990 bolted a line so close to Charlie’s variation that it effectively trashed his achievement (the 1990 line is International Inquirer – it’s bolts should be removed; see the post for Irrational Inquirer). Sep 19, 2010
Daryl Allan
Sierra Vista, AZ
Daryl Allan   Sierra Vista, AZ
Was this chopped recently? May 21, 2012
Tucson, AZ
Geir   Tucson, AZ
I haven't heard anything Daryl ... were you climbing there recently? May 22, 2012
Daryl Allan
Sierra Vista, AZ
Daryl Allan   Sierra Vista, AZ
No, but I ran into a guy at the Windy Point area that told me about a group that was going around stripping hangers off of routes and leaving the bolts. He said it happened on several routes and this was just one affected. May 22, 2012
jbak .
jbak .   tucson,az
Really ? wow, that's pretty radical. Ethics statement regarding the number of bolts on the mountain ? Or maybe abandoned hangers = free money ? May 22, 2012
Tucson, AZ
Geir   Tucson, AZ
It's news to me. Seems a little odd to to take the hangers and leave the studs if this was ethically motivated. Daryl do you know what other routes were stripped?

I am assuming that we are talking about International Inquirer and not Mean Mistreater, correct? May 22, 2012
Daryl Allan
Sierra Vista, AZ
Daryl Allan   Sierra Vista, AZ
MM was definitely one of the routes he mentioned but he said there were others in the area (sorry, I don't recall names). Kim and i were finishing a quick run up Hitchcock when we talked with him. My first thought was what John was thinking. That is, some furball just collecting shiny things but he mentioned he thought they are a group with some anti-bolt motives moving through the mountain. May 23, 2012
Tucson, AZ
Geir   Tucson, AZ
Pretty strange to take the hangers from MM for either reason. There are only a few to begin with; it hardly seems worth the effort.

I am happy to assist with replacing the missing hangers on MM. It should be a simple job to get them back up there assuming the studs were left intact. May 23, 2012
jbak .
jbak .   tucson,az
I just pray they spare Garc Onilom. May 23, 2012
Casa do Cacete
Christian   Casa do Cacete
Did some TR solo there today and there are no missing hangers on the the routes themselves. There's a 3-bolt anchor at the top of "Stepping in a Slide Zone" (climber's left across Rich and Dave chimney) with no hangers. Nov 7, 2012
To confirm all hangers are still in place except for one missing off the two bolts next to the rap anchors for P1. I.E. rap anchors with chains still in place plus one bolt and one hangerless stud.

Pretty casual until the crux on P2, I thought more like a 10-. The crux can be well protected by a green C3 a bit higher than the bolt but the bolt is bomber too. Dec 11, 2012
Tim Wolfe
Salt Lake City, UT
  5.10c PG13
Tim Wolfe   Salt Lake City, UT  
  5.10c PG13
This is classic old school trad climbing. Thoughtful moves at times a bit off your gear. I am not sure about the comments regarding a ledge fall at the crux. The true runnout is on P2 going to the first bolt, not after the second bolt - definate ledge fall potential down low here but if you climb the weakest line it takes small gear before you step over to the bolt and the moves there are all easy. The crux has a bolt (#2) and microcams just above it - extremely well protected for a move that is clearly harder than anything else on the route but you won't hit anything. I absolutely loved the combination of heady climbing and occasional 5.10 moves on this line. May 19, 2013
Dj telle
Tucson, AZ
Dj telle   Tucson, AZ
Portaledge party few years back- the firecrackers and someone unloading the piss storm on his porta- friends .. lotta beer and smokes on nylon ! Good stuff Mar 31, 2018
The fixed anchors on this route were updated by CASA in 2017. See the full list of updated climbs at…

Hardware and tools are paid for by your donations, a grant from Access Fund & American Alpine Club, and support from Rocks & Ropes and The BLOC. Jul 10, 2018

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