Type: Trad, 90 ft
FA: Mark Moore, Lars Holbek, Dave Davis
Page Views: 122 total · 1/month
Shared By: phil broscovak on Mar 13, 2005
Admins: Larry DeAngelo, Justin Johnsen

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Access Issue: Red Rock RAIN AND WET ROCK: The sandstone is fragile and is very easily damaged when wet. Details


Approximately 100' to the right of Arrow Place is a prominent undulating crack system. The middle of the first pitch is interesting and entertaining. However the start and finish of the first pitch involves deceptively awkward climbing and tenuous, hard-to-get gear. The offwidth bomb-bay chimney at the top of pitch one is short but intimidating. And gear can only really be gotten very deep in the crack. The belay at the top of P.1 is a manky collection of aging detritus. It is more of a history display than a substantial anchor. All in all this route is worth doing at least once.


I found much of the pro to be difficult and tenuous.


phil broscovak  
I am not sure how the program elected to give this a vs rating, probably because I made mention of the less than ideal protection. I would not consider this route vs. Maybe s (with a small s). But I would consider it harder than the 5.8 the guide gives it. In fact I think it is much harder and more serious than Arrow Place but there is NO reason to get hurt on this route. On a side note I got a camming unit stuck in the back of the bomb bay slot right below the belay station. You can have it if you can get it. Mar 14, 2005
Las Vegas, NV
rockratrei   Las Vegas, NV
Glad someone else thought this was more difficult than Arrow Place. As a side note on my first attempt I fell on a cliped "fixed" piece at the awkward spot ~ 20' off the deck. Said "fixed" piece popped - fortunately the alien below it held and kept me 5" from the deck. The fixed gear was a home made nut - probably from the original ascent. I managed to go back and bag it the second time but not without a lot of grumbling. It's worth doing once. Side note - I was working on a line in between Arrow Place and Wishbone (left a nut and never finished it). Oct 21, 2005
Matt Kuehl
Las Vegas
Matt Kuehl   Las Vegas
A fine old school climb. Much better than the above comments would suggest. Bring plentiful small gear and nuts with a few larger cams no bigger than #4. The anchor at the top could be improved so bring some new rappel cord if you're concerned. Not your brainless 5.8 so get psyched! Sep 9, 2012