Type: Trad, 40 ft
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Shared By: AJ on Dec 31, 2004
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Access Issue: Red Rock RAIN AND WET ROCK: The sandstone is fragile and is very easily damaged when wet. Details


The left wall has this curvy thin hands crack. Take some thin gear for the last moves. Like its neighbor, a sweet miniature route.


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Las Vegas, NV
J W   Las Vegas, NV
i'm not entirely sure why this route is listed as .10d in the guide- its an .11a at least.

sure, its short, but an .11 move is still an .11 move! Aug 20, 2006
city, state
alpinglow   city, state
Waaaaaaaay out of character to call this 10d...especially in Red Rocks. I was told it was 11c and didn't argue after I had climbed it?

So call it 5.11 and have a great time on it, fun route! Mar 4, 2007
andy patterson
Carpinteria, CA
andy patterson   Carpinteria, CA  
Allow me to add my voice to the grade-discrepancy racket: I know grades can be flexible, but 5.10d sounds like a sandbag to me. To be sure, the line doesn't stretch for a full rope-length, but I thought it packed a punch despite its short stature. Nov 6, 2007
Jon O'Brien
Jon O'Brien   Nevada
It's soooo good! I can totally see 10D if you have small hands the crescent would go easier. I don't have small hands. LOL One way or another, it's got sick climbing from the ground till the top-out! Apr 22, 2009
Jon Richard
St. Louis, Missouri
Jon Richard   St. Louis, Missouri
I'd say 10d is fair for small hands... this thing is great! Wish it was longer. Feb 26, 2010
For perspective, it's more common to see flashes of Y+Y than Atman, from the dozen times I've been at the cliff. Atman goes from .75 to upper #3s, and usually somewhere in there people will find a size that is pretty tough for them.

For experienced crack climbers, neither is a tough send, Atman is burlier, you get in up to the shoulder, Y+Y feels more exposed and face-y, so strong sport climbers tend to have little trouble, less jams also.

It's a great climb, get at it+worry about the grade later if ya got that kinda time.. Oct 31, 2011
matt carpenter
Las Vegas
matt carpenter   Las Vegas
Pumpy... yes. 5.11... no. Thought this was easier than Rubicon (in Jtree) and that is rated 10c. Feb 28, 2012
GDavis Davis
GDavis Davis  
Rubicon, O'Kellys, Papaya Crack, Heart of Darkness, clean and jerk, bearded cabbage... maybe I've been climbing at Josh too much. 10D is soft :) Feb 19, 2013
Traversing was bouldery and fun. Short and sweet! Mar 17, 2013
Phil Esra  
Slightly harder than Rubicon and Heart of Darkness. Pumpier. More fun than Indian Creek, if in a less pretty setting. Apr 4, 2013
Chris M
Hailey, ID
Chris M   Hailey, ID
Small (.4 camelot to micro) gear for top anchor works well in the block above and climbers left of the topout. Bolts have been chopped Nov 4, 2014
Austin Sobotka
Tucson, AZ
Austin Sobotka   Tucson, AZ
Anyone who calls Atman harder than Yin and Yang has betrayed their status as a sport climber.
Super fun route. Felt easier (although "sportier") than Risk Brothers. 10c/d seems fair. Mar 21, 2015
Aaron Formella
Atascadero, CA
Aaron Formella   Atascadero, CA
Fantastic route. Rather pumpy for a short climb. I used 3 red Camalots and felt comfortable. I have big hands and the crux for me was hanging on an overhanging ring-lock at the upcurve where there are poor feet. Save a 0.4 BD or similar for a pod to protect the final moves in the thin crack. May 19, 2017
Jan Tarculas
Riverside, Ca
Jan Tarculas   Riverside, Ca

Gear used:

0.4, 0.75, two #1s ( I walked both), 0.5 and 1 nut at top ( 0.4 or smaller cam would work also) Nov 19, 2017
Nitish Nag  
Westminster, CO
BIG FUN   Westminster, CO
think a group of 3 may have picked up my orange gri gri today at the base on accident. reaching out on here hoping to get it returned. Mar 8, 2018