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Algae T 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c
Anemia T,TR 5.3 3+ 10 III 9 VD 3a
Anemic Ladder T,TR 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Asleep in a Fuk-nes Dream TR 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Black Rib T,TR 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c R
Broken Ladder TR 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Callipigeanous Crack T,TR 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Callipigeanous Direct T 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c PG13
Double Clutch (AKA Chickens Don't Fly) T 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a R
Flatus T 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
Jamboree T,TR 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Kamikaze T,TR 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c PG13
Man and Superman T,TR 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
Michael's Project T,TR 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
No Trump T 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Ostentation T,TR 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
Ottobahn T,TR 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a PG13
Peter's Project T,TR 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Peter's Project Right Side T,TR 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Sewing Machine T,TR 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Superman T,TR 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
V8 T,TR 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c R
Type: Trad, TR, 60 ft
FA: First Top Rope: Peter Gardiner, late 1950's
First Lead/Solo: Unknown
Page Views: 12,212 total, 65/month
Shared By: James Schroeder on May 26, 2002
Admins: Burt Lindquist, Doug Hemken, James Schroeder, Chris treggE

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Description

Peter's Project is the route to do at Devil's Lake. The 5.7 climber will be well-challenged by the route's initial low crux. However, this toil will be rewarded with excellent climbing on the beautiful, low-angle face above. Even those climbers with more experience should not underestimate the funky body-English required to negotiate the polished holds and finger-locks in the first twenty feet - more than one 5.10 climber has been humbled by the sequential nature climbing here.

After the start, the angle, and difficulty, drop considerably. Here, climbers can choose to follow the right-angling crack to a pine tree, finishing on chunky, unaesthetic climbing above the tree. Preferably, and to get full-value from the route, many will head left, working into another crack system where they will enjoy excellent climbing in a beautiful position. All should pause at one of the many comfortable rests to take full-advantage, soak in the amazing view of the valley below, lean back, take a deep breath, look up at the sky and laugh at the world for a few seconds. It is here where, with the sunshine on their faces, many climbers have found the answer to the eternal question "Why?"

For those hoping to maximize their experience on Peter's, the route offers one more optional (although some purists and the 1970 Climber's and Hiker's Guide call it mandatory) challenge. Having taken the left crack system, climbers will find themselves deposited on a comfortable ledge, where they will encounter another ledge to their left, separated from the main wall by a #3.0 C4 size crack (a long sling is useful here). From this ledge, a two or three move sequence provides a final, but tenuous, upper-crux. The further left the climber stays the more difficult this sequence is.

After surmounting the "headwall" a move or two on blocky terrain deposits the climber at the base of a giant boulder. A few cams in the #0.75-#2.0 C4 size range will allow for quick and efficient anchor construction.

Location

On the southeast side of Many Pines buttress, near the arĂȘte of Ostentation. The main starting hold is a (typically) well-chalked, half-moon affair at eye-level. One other distinct identifier is the famous "Idaho" hold, a block protruding from the crack, ten-to-fifteen above the ground, that somewhat resembles the outline of the state of Idaho.

Protection

Set of nuts (offsets useful)
Camalots .5-3
TCUs blue to red
A few slings
Joel Allen
La Crosse, WI
  5.7
Joel Allen   La Crosse, WI
  5.7
GO LEFT, its way better!!! I can't believe I've always went right. :( Jul 10, 2016
rgold
Poughkeepsie, NY
rgold   Poughkeepsie, NY
I can add a few remarks to the information Tom Anderson-Brown quotes me as saying above.

The Michael in Michael's Project is Michael Fain, who made the first top-rope ascent in the late fifties. The first top-rope ascent of Peter's Project was also in the late fifties by Peter Gardiner.

Both those routes were lead for sure by Steve Derenzo and I in the very early sixties before Errol Morris appeared at Devil's Lake; he was certainly not the first to lead Peter's Project, and for that matter I cannot say that Steve and I were the first to lead either of those routes.

Steve Derenzo leading Peter's Project, early 60's:



And here's me leading it, also in the early 60's


I didn't actually see it, but it would be entirely reasonable to assume that Dave Slinger soloed Peter's Project around that time too; he was soloing other things as hard or harder, and John Gill might have warmed up or cooled down on it as well. Roger Wiegand and Olle Swartling were active in that period and were fully capable of leading those climbs as well, although I cannot say whether they did.

All in all, I don't think there is any way to know who led or soloed those routes first. Jun 13, 2011
James Schroeder
Sauk County, WI
  5.7
James Schroeder   Sauk County, WI  
  5.7
The older I get, and the more routes I see the more I love this route. I'd give it 100 stars if I could - if you only have time for one route at Devil's Lake this should be it. Mar 16, 2009
mblem22
 
mblem22  
 
Loved the view so much on this route that I clipped directly into our TR anchor and sat on the ledge just below the top of the bluff to soak in the view for a half hour or so. An easy but super fun climb. I'll be bringing more friends to this one. Jul 14, 2017
Chris treggE
Madison, WI
  5.7
Chris treggE   Madison, WI  
  5.7
It's all you James. Mar 23, 2014
James Schroeder
Sauk County, WI
  5.7
James Schroeder   Sauk County, WI  
  5.7
This thing needs a better description! It's easily one of the top ten routes at the Lake. Mar 21, 2014
Frogmen83
  5.8
Frogmen83  
  5.8
Great route and fun lead. bottom section felt 5.8 with the rest of the route 5.7 Jul 30, 2013
Joe "Big Boi" Osterman
Portland, OR
  5.7
Joe "Big Boi" Osterman   Portland, OR
  5.7
I climbed this route 3 times today because it so good! Jul 15, 2013
Deborah Sherwin  
  5.7
Toproped this route and it was tons of fun. Even better, it was in a shady side on a sunny day. I took the right side after the split, so I wonder if I'm missing anything on the left side? I tried this route last year and the first few moves totally threw me for a loop. But this time I pulled hard and trusted the sketchy loose blocks (which don't seem like they are going anywhere), and then it was smooth sailing to the top. Aug 7, 2011
Andy Hansen
Longmont, Colorado
  5.7
Andy Hansen   Longmont, Colorado
  5.7
Thanks for the info on this route- a classic no doubt! The photos have such a vintage luster to them- damn they look good! Jul 17, 2011
Paul Dieterle
Pasadena, CA
 
Paul Dieterle   Pasadena, CA
 
Felt as hard as some 5.8's, but realistically it's a 5.7. Honestly, with a route as good as this, it doesn't matter. Aug 28, 2009
Ta-Chi Wang  
 
Lots argument! I led this route a week ago with Karsten, that was my 6th trip to DL, 3rd trip to CCC, during the past 11 years since I came to Madison from Taiwan. And you know, you guys are lucky! This route is just such a great route to lead and to enjoy that too many arguments simply tarnish it.

For someone who would like to enjoy it, small nuts work particularly well on the lower section (the first 15 feet). May 24, 2009
Peter Arndt
  5.7
Peter Arndt  
  5.7
Jay and Chest:

I was a cubscout till I was informed that we WEREN'T going camping. So I said "F This, I don't need this paramilitary bullshit". I then focused on hitchin out to the lake, rock hoppin, and cruisin chicks at the chateau. No merit badges but a heck of lot more fun. Sep 4, 2007
Jay Knower
Campton, NH
 
Jay Knower   Campton, NH  
 
I was a boyscout. I was a tenderfoot (the lowest, entry level ranking) for over three years. I think that's a record that still stands. My friends became eagle scouts, but I guess I was content to stay a tenderfoot. Then I quit. Story of my life. Sep 4, 2007
Chest Rockwell
Lodi, WI
  5.6
Chest Rockwell   Lodi, WI
  5.6
Well first of all I don't wear a helmet, second of all the only bolts I clip are rusty quarter-inch buttonheads...

Most importantly I was never in the boyscouts; they told my mom she couldn't sign me up. Something to do with not allowing 12 year old kids who smoke and steal cars into their petty little group. I'm actually grateful, who would have wanted to be a part of that club anyway.

You do seem to know an awful lot about their inner workings Jay, is this perhaps because you were once a scout? Or maybe you just have special place in, umm, your heart for the little fellas... Sep 4, 2007
Jay Knower
Campton, NH
 
Jay Knower   Campton, NH  
 
Chest, you wouldn't know a bolt if it hit you in your helmet, since you only climb at Devil's Lake on the 'projects'--Peter's and Michael's.

How many boyscout badges did you get for climbing Peter's? Sep 4, 2007
Chest Rockwell
Lodi, WI
  5.6
Chest Rockwell   Lodi, WI
  5.6
Only in a place like Rumney would this be called 5.10, and it would probably be bolted there to boot.

As for me falling or flailing on this route, I couldn't imagine that ever happening. Sep 4, 2007
Jay Knower
Campton, NH
 
Jay Knower   Campton, NH  
 
Chest, didn't I see you flail on this the other day? I thought I heard you say that the route is sooo hard for 5.7 and that it felt at least 5.10. Sep 4, 2007
Chest Rockwell
Lodi, WI
  5.6
Chest Rockwell   Lodi, WI
  5.6
John,

Believe what you want, but this route is no more difficult than say Brinton's or Push Mi - Pull Yu. Two CLASSICS at the grade...

There is but one move on this route and it's barely off the ground. Sep 4, 2007
John W. Knoernschild
Wisconsin
  5.7
John W. Knoernschild   Wisconsin
  5.7
I have to strongly disagree with you Chest about a 5.6 rating. It sure is not close to a 5.6 at all. There is no need to make people think this is a 5.6 route and sandbag it even more than it already is. Like Jeff said, feels more like a 5.8 at times. Just cause you can climb alot better now, doesnt mean you should go around and downgrade everything below your skill level. That's how Devil's Lake got so sandbagged in the first place. Aug 31, 2007
Chest Rockwell
Lodi, WI
  5.6
Chest Rockwell   Lodi, WI
  5.6
Errol Morris did the first lead of Peter's Project (AKA Chest's Solo)? He seems way too young, to have been walking on two legs at the time this route should have seen its first ascent. I mean people were leading 5.6 in the 1930's for gods' sake. Make no mistake about it this route is definitely 5.6, it's certainly no harder than False Perspective (AKA Chest Perspective) on the West Bluff, nor is it harder than Push Mi - Pull Yu (AKA Chest Mi - Chest Yu) or Cotamundi Crack (AKA Chestamundi Crack) here on the East. Jan 17, 2007
James Schroeder
Sauk County, WI
  5.7
James Schroeder   Sauk County, WI  
  5.7
Michael's Project now has a forum of its own in the midwest forums page. Dec 4, 2006
Jay Knower
Campton, NH
 
Jay Knower   Campton, NH  
 
If you like Peter's then you'd love Bagatelle. It's just a bit to the left... Dec 4, 2006
James Schroeder
Sauk County, WI
  5.7
James Schroeder   Sauk County, WI  
  5.7
If you like Peter's you'll love Michael's Project just around the corner. Dec 4, 2006
Leo Hski  
 
"The Official Access Gully of the DLFA" per The Extremist's Guide Nov 27, 2006
Andrew May
Westminster, CO
 
Andrew May   Westminster, CO
 
I agree, I thought the right crack was a lot more fun. More options. Sep 22, 2006
Tom Anderson-Brown
Madison, WI
  5.7
Tom Anderson-Brown   Madison, WI
  5.7
I definitely prefer to take the left crack when you get to the split. More interesting and continuous. Jun 21, 2005
Excellent climb. So far, this is my favorite 5.7 lead at the Lake. The loose block below the crux that you have to yard off of made me nervous but sound like it has been there forever. Also, I though it was kind of run out at the top. No worries though, it is easy climbing. Aug 2, 2004
Tom Anderson-Brown
Madison, WI
  5.7
Tom Anderson-Brown   Madison, WI
  5.7
A little epic to pass on to you all...Yesterday I was planning to knock a bunch of leads off, and the day started out well, with my leads of Birch Tree Crack and Full Stop. Third route was Peter's Project, which I'd lead before. I sauntered up to that bad boy, made the first few moves, and put in my first piece about 8 feet up. Then I dug in for the crux. A couple of moves into the crux and I started to waver a bit, so I down-climbed, took another look, then started up again. I felt a bit better this time, but couldn't get the right sequence to find a stance to put in my second piece. I was clinging for dear life, nervous that a fall would send me straight into the ground. Next thing I knew, I popped off the wall and headed for the ground fast, with no chance for catch from my first piece of gear. I screamed as I felt my feet hit the ground, hard. The rest of my body crumpled to the ground in a heap. My feet and ankles protested the impact like nothing I've ever felt before. I laid on my back, clutching my knees to my chest, unable to breathe or speak. My dad, who was belaying, knelt next to me, calmly asking me where the pain was. I said that all the pain was in my feet and my ankles. He kept questioning me about my back and my neck, but neither of those hurt at all. I caught my breath, slowly, and was able to calm down my adrenaline after many minutes. I tried rotating my ankles, and though there was pain, they seemed to function. I helped as much as I could to gather up our gear for the hike down. I slipped off my climbing shoes and put on my Tevas. Slowly I stood up and put weight on my feet. It was excruciating! I hobbled back to the head of the CCC trail, then made my way down the steps, one at a time, sitting on each one, using my hands behind me to support my weight.

We reached the bottom of the steps after about an hour, and with my arm over my dad's shoulders we made our way across the road to the car. We had driven separately, me from Madison, my dad from Milwaukee, and I told my dad I could drive myself home. He agreed, reluctantly, telling me to get to the ER for x-rays, and off I went. I moaned for the first 15 minutes, then got used to the pain. Once home, I got out of the car and crawled to the door. When I opened the door my dogs kissed me relentlessly, thinking that my crawling was a game. From a kneeling position I was able to fill two pans full of water and ice. I hit the couch and dunked each foot in. It was too cold to endure for more than 5 minutes at a time. After a while I gave up and laid on the floor. I was awoken by the phone. It was my wife, on her way home from a trip to Milwaukee with our 15 month-old. I told her I had injured my feet, but tried to hide the pain I was in. After speaking with her I knew I needed to get to the hospital to get some x-rays, crutches, and drugs. After 4 hours in the ER the prognosis came back. I had fractured my right heel bone and severely bruised my left foot. I was given crutches, and a prescription, and hobbled back out to the car to head home, where I met my surprised wife.

I found out on Tuesday, after visiting the Orthopaedist, that both of my heels have fractures. I'm now in dual air casts, sporting a KISS/Storm Trooper look. They said most people that fall that far crush the bones in their feet and require surgery, so I guess I got off easy.

Needles to say, be careful when leading, or at any time when you're up on the rock. Gravity is not your friend. You need to be constantly aware of what it can do to you. I got lucky, sustaining a relatively minor injury. It doesn't take much to put you out of commission for a good chunk of time. Aug 23, 2003
Tom Anderson-Brown
Madison, WI
  5.7
Tom Anderson-Brown   Madison, WI
  5.7
A little history I got off the web (care of Richard Goldstone):The Peter in Peter's Project is Peter Gardiner,not Pete Cleveland. I can't remember Michael's last name (as in Michael's Project). These were climbers from the Universtity of Chicago who climbed at Devil's Lakein the late fifties and early sixties. I met and climbed with PeterGardiner in 1961; Peter's and Michael's projects had already beenclimbed. I climbed at Devil's Lake from '61 to '66; I think PeteCleveland showed up around 1965. Ray D'Arcy was also there duringthat period, the legendary Dave Slinger was still actively soloinghard routes in carpenter boots, and John Gill had just left for hisstint as a meteorologist for the SAC. Apr 15, 2003
Jeff H  
The feeling of 5.8 is just that based on the low crux and somewhat physical moves. I meant that now infamous comment only as a heads up to the new 5.7 leader and apologize for not being more precise. The rating is correct at 5.7. All of the 5.8 routes mentioned are harder than Petes. The exit moves on curving crack always get my attention. In fact in my current state of plumpitude they feel much harder than 5.8. Sep 23, 2002
Tom Anderson-Brown
Madison, WI
  5.7
Tom Anderson-Brown   Madison, WI
  5.7
I guess I've changed my mind after climbing Birthday Crack last Saturday. Birthday Crack and Pete's Project are pretty close in difficulty and the ratings reflect that. Maybe Watermarks has an inflated rating. And Terry is right, the exit moves on CC are definitely harder than any move on Pete's or Birthday Crack. Aug 21, 2002
I would have to agree with Chest. Tom A-B compare Pete's with "Curving Crack" in difficulty but I think the crux on "CC" is the last few exit moves which are rarely done on TR. Pete's is definately easier than Birch Tree, Brinton's Direct or Chicago. IMHO Pete's is the 7 that all other 7's should be compared. Great Classic Lead!!!!! Aug 21, 2002
Tom Anderson-Brown
Madison, WI
  5.7
Tom Anderson-Brown   Madison, WI
  5.7
I tend to agree with Jeff on the feeling of 5.8. And I don't think it's ratings creep. Just compare this climb to Curving Crack at Sandstone, or maybe an even better comparison would be Watermarks. Pete's Project is very much a "sequence" climb at the crux start. I've climbed this with people who were at least as strong as me who couldn't figure out the sequence and couldn't get more than a few feet off the ground. Once you get above 15' you're good to go, but I think the start is more 5.8ish. Aug 16, 2002
Jeff H  
Hey Breast Headswell,Sorry for not being clear.I meant my comments for the aspising 5.7 leader looking for a challenge. I really did not think a climber of your obvious skill and stature would be interested. Jun 15, 2002
Chest Rockwell
Lodi, WI
  5.6
Chest Rockwell   Lodi, WI
  5.6
You know, Peter's was once known as "The Official Access Gully" for locals. If you think it is 5.8, then you have been climbing in Minnesota too much. Jun 14, 2002
Jeff H  
A classic must do lead that feels more like 5.8 at times. Jun 14, 2002