Mountain Project Logo
To save paper & ink, use the [Hide] controls next to photos and comments so you only print what you need.

Seibernetics

5.8+, Trad,  Avg: 2.1 from 251 votes
FA: Paul and Linda Seibert
Utah > Southeast Utah > Potash Rd > Wall Street
Access Issue: RAIN, WET ROCK and RAPTOR CLOSURES: The sandstone around Moab is fragile and is very easily damaged when it is wet. Also please ask and be aware of Raptor Closures in areas such as CAT WALL and RESERVOIR WALL in Indian Creek Details
Access Issue: Poop Alert! Details

Description

Climb up and left onto a small ledge past two drilled angles and into a right-leaning dihedral. The dihedral is more of a groove than a crack and difficult to protect without taking away all holds; the slab to the right is 10- and offers little but nubbins for feet to help. Climb up to even with the anchors and then traverse a flake-top to the excellent anchors (placed for both this climb and the slab TR of Seibernetics Direct, 10-). Rap or lower 80'.

Protection

Standard rack with a handful of QDs (two SS bolts and a good double-bolt anchor). Bring small to medium passive pro as well as active.

Photos [Hide ALL Photos]

My friend Tyler sending seibernetics
[Hide Photo] My friend Tyler sending seibernetics
What a fun climb!  Mellow and different.
[Hide Photo] What a fun climb! Mellow and different.
Seibernetics.<br>
Photo by Blitzo.
[Hide Photo] Seibernetics. Photo by Blitzo.
Top half of Seibernetics from 20m north on the road, Julie sets up the rappel
[Hide Photo] Top half of Seibernetics from 20m north on the road, Julie sets up the rappel
Seibernetics 5.8, center of image
[Hide Photo] Seibernetics 5.8, center of image
"Seibernetics".<br>
Photo by Blitzo.
[Hide Photo] "Seibernetics". Photo by Blitzo.
John working his way to the anchor. What a route!
[Hide Photo] John working his way to the anchor. What a route!
Garrett Gillest on "Sibernetics" looking through the fish eye lenses or Go Pro at age 6
[Hide Photo] Garrett Gillest on "Sibernetics" looking through the fish eye lenses or Go Pro at age 6
3rd lap on Seibernetics
[Hide Photo] 3rd lap on Seibernetics
The angle is friendly ...  Climber is unknown, but he had better remain nameless as he sat on the bolt!
[Hide Photo] The angle is friendly ... Climber is unknown, but he had better remain nameless as he sat on the bolt!
Liz on her first ever Sandstone route
[Hide Photo] Liz on her first ever Sandstone route

Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

Darrin Stein
Pueblo, CO
[Hide Comment] Good introduction to the climbing in Moab. Not to hard, but gritty and good. A little exposed getting to the anchors, but take the step and give a yelp. Dec 7, 2001
George Bell
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] Funny story on this one, I had just bought a "Soloist" self belay system, and this was the first route I tried it on. I carefully arranged the soloist at the base, then began my ascent. Twenty feet up I decided to place a piece, but discovered that I had left the rack at the base of the route! Fortunately I was able to downclimb back to the base without incident. Apr 1, 2002
[Hide Comment] I had another misadventure on this route, George. We tried to sneak this in as the last route before the sun went down, but I found it difficult to see and place gear. Thinking I wouldn't need any med-large pro, I left all that on the ground. Now in the dark, I was about 15-18' above a placement and fumbled in some crappy nut and started to make the move up and over to the anchors when the nut popped back out. I yelled at my group of 5 people at the base (who were laughing, joking, and carrying on amongst themselves, not paying much attention to me who was sketching out) something like, "Hey you bitches! Pay attention--I'm poppin' gear out here!" Well, that was completely out of character for anyone who knows me so they abruptly shut up and took notice of my abscence of joy, which I had started with. To make this long story even longer, I took a deep breath, made it to the anchors and my fear started to evaporate. The moral of this story--a lack of a rack and friends who yack make the climber break his back.

Ok--feel free to flame me for that one. :-) Jun 3, 2002
[Hide Comment] One day after taking to many falls on Baby Blue we decided to end the day here, but I just wanted to go see Dan at Woodies. In return for making him "put in one more" he made me do it. My feet hurt so I decided to try it w/o my climb shoes. Somehow, with very creative steming I got to the top. The crux wasn't climbing, it was keeping my flip flops on.A. Everhart Mar 6, 2003
[Hide Comment] This was my first trad climb in the desert, and one of my favorites. The first time I climbed it, I looked like I was geared up for a Zion bigwall (two full racks of borrowed cams, nuts, hexes, etc). On top of this, I hadn't noticed a large chunk of rubber missing from the toe of my right shoe, and couldn't figure out why my right foot wouldn'tt stick to anything. My wife had a nice rash on her left shoulder at the end of the day from some creative stemming. TCU's are helpful. Mar 10, 2005
Mark Michaels
Draper, UT
 
[Hide Comment] Try this one barefoot (on TR if you're a chicken)!!! Super friendly rock! Sep 28, 2006
Stan Pitcher
SLC, UT
  5.8 PG13
[Hide Comment] Anyone know what the route to the right of Sibernetics (with several bolts missing) is? A friend traversed out to the anchors from the top of Sibernetics so we could top-rope it. Very good sustained face climbing maybe 10+/11-? Nov 27, 2007
Jonathan Amburgey
Salt Lake City, UT
[Hide Comment] As of 7/17/09 there are 3 bolts for an anchor on this route (2 with chain links; 1 with a rappel ring). A BD # 3 cam is useful for the mid-section. The route isn't a continuous crack; it turns into a non-pro accepting seam is various spots throughout the climb - expect some distance between placements (not too run-out, just enough to keep it exciting). Stemming was the technique of choice for me. Jul 19, 2009
Rob R.
Chicago, IL
 
[Hide Comment] I'll second the BD #3 comment. I was glad I brought it! May 27, 2010
[Hide Comment] This route is known for testing many 5.8 climbers. It looks all slabby and easy from the ground, but is not a "cruise" like you would think. May 3, 2011
Topher M.
moab, ut
[Hide Comment] The drilled pitons have been replaced with really sloppy bolts. Someone pulled the pins, which were bomber by the way, and replaced them with bolts smeared with sloppy, ugly, gray epoxy. No attempt was made to camo the epoxy job. FYI to whomever did this: you shouldn't need epoxy if you place expansion bolts correctly. A real A**hole move if you ask me! Apr 14, 2012
[Hide Comment] In the Falcon Guide it says the route to the right of Seibernetics is Scratch and Sniff (5.11R). May 20, 2012
Ryan Henderson
Denver, CO
 
[Hide Comment] First climb in the the desert. Also second or third 5.8 trad lead. This one was interesting! You've got to remind yourself that you're climbing a 5.8, b/c the pro can get sparse above that second bolt. A little sandy in areas as well. Worth trying, but a little intimidating for a 5.8 trad lead newb. Oct 23, 2012
[Hide Comment] I had my first successful Independent trad lead on this route. Not so easy, but fun. The protection gear stay tight on the crack. The very last part gets a little tricky. You might need to leave a cam to change the rope direction with a long sling. My second climb, I was tired of a whole climbing day and couldn't get any further than the second bolt! So, do it fresh if you are a beginner like me, it's a lot of work, not a joke. Sep 30, 2013
Ian Colquhoun
New Jersey
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] My introduction to sandstone climbing. Lots of scummin in the corner. Wear a shirt with shoulders or your left one will be really scuffed at the end of this.

The direct line 5.10- is such a cool series of very very small nubs to stem on!!! Jun 24, 2014
Mark Says
Basalt, CO
 
[Hide Comment] You can make this climb super hard if you've never climbed a corner system like this before (and you're also new to placing gear). I nearly wet myself a couple of times leading this because I had no idea I could use that huge wall next to me to... well, you either know, or you'll find out. Second lap, once I figured it out, was a very enjoyable outing. Oct 10, 2017
[Hide Comment] Iffy gear, runout, insecure. It's a 5.8 for sure, but I wouldn't recommend it for a new 5.8 leader. Fun climb, and climbing the direct face on top rope is also good. Dec 3, 2017
Lolo Kenderes
Lewisburg, PA
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] Easily missed climb when your zoomin down potash to get to the classics, highly recommend. Nov 27, 2018
Paul Miller
Tallahassee, FL
 
[Hide Comment] Great climbing with elusive and run-out pro. I recommend bringing a #3. Feb 17, 2020