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Is the North Country in Wild Iris good to be added to MP now?

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JANGEL J · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2020 · Points: 389

The couple last threads on this seemed to state slightly conflicting ideas on the north country trail from the aspen glades parking lot, one saying it wasn't complete and because of that the North Country shouldn't be added. Another thread stated that the trail was mostly complete and people had begun walking on it to get to the wall. Anyone know the current status of this? I'm going to be climbing at North Country over the course of the next week and realized it wasn't on MP for some reason. It seems like there isn't much of a reason to keep it off of here in my opinion, especially if there is another main trail and parking area totally independent of the aspen glades anyways. I have already added the main sub-areas and some routes to MP, and will be adding as many pictures as I can over the next couple days. If anyone has insight on this topic or any legitimate reason why it should not be added please let me know in a comment, and I can take it down if need be.

Tom Rangitsch · · Lander, Wy · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 1,699

The largest issue is the parking at the switchback.  It can only handle 8 or so cars and people park on the side of the road, limiting vehicular travel and especially folks with trailers for horses or ATVs who are navigating that turn.  The Forest Service is actually planning to close that parking once the new trail is fully opened, or before if we make a mess of things (I think they are planning to make a lot more parking at Aspen Glades).  I also don't think they want people parking at the next switchback as you mention in the description.  It may be better to say something like "don't park on the switchback if there is no room to park perpendicular" or something like that.

JANGEL J · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2020 · Points: 389

Thanks for the info Tom. In the 2018 guidebook it mentions that parking at the next switchback is an option (instead of the side of the road) which is why I mentioned it. That's good to know that the forest service doesn't want that. So are you saying the new trail still isn't fully opened? Do you happen to have any insight as to if the North Country should or shouldn't be added to MP? I am of the opinion that since the info is out there in current guidebooks that there is no reason to keep it off of here, but I don't know if there is any info I am missing (other than the small parking situation).

Tom Rangitsch · · Lander, Wy · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 1,699

I think initially the Lander community wanted to keep it as a "local's only" type crag, but you are correct that it is published in the guidebook.  I am of the same opinion that there shouldn't be a problem with posting it on MP.  It's probably better to put out info on where to park, how to play nicely so the regulatory authorities don't shut down the parking, etc.  Maybe post one of those access notes within the description so that people know parking is an issue.  

JANGEL J · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2020 · Points: 389

Great, thank you for the info! I changed the description on the main north country page to recognize the fact that the parking situation here is tenuous/fragile and there might be slight access issues.

Greg Barnes · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 2,060

The new guidebook doesn't even mention the switchback parking at all. So the appropriate thing to do is delete any mention of that parking option on MP, and only include the traverse trail from Aspen Glade. Sounds like the USFS will block the switchback trail sooner or later anyway.

I would assume the authors deleted the switchback parking option to preserve climber access, and MP should follow suit!

The Morse-Bradys · · Lander, WY · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 4,689

I'm pissed that you plagiarized the content straight from "Lander Rock Climbs".  That is reason for deletion in my mind.  

Now that the trail is in I don't have any issue with quality original content being added to the North Country page.

JANGEL J · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2020 · Points: 389

Will definitely delete! Sorry everyone, I did not realize this was not okay (makes total sense thinking about it retroactively). I am completely in the wrong here and apologize. Did not mean any offense.

The Morse-Bradys · · Lander, WY · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 4,689

With so much content out there, sometimes the lines get blurry, but it is still very important to honor those who take the time to author guidebooks. Thank you for respecting Steve, Ben, and Kyle on this front. I encourage you to consider reposting the area with new and original content through your own lens. Also, I hope you had a great time out there!

E I · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 0

I’m not sure about the parking debate above from a non local standpoint. My partner and I visited last Tuesday or Wednesday and found the parking at the switchback to be unfortunately overrun by Mormon crickets but sufficient. We are the only group up there the entire day, but thought it was odd that the rest of Wild Iris was meticulously detailed on MP but absolutely no mention of it. We had the 2018 guidebook and thought it was great, and understand if locals do not want it posted on this website. Crickets aside it was hard pocket pulling and probably the best representation of solitude Wyoming dolomite climbing anyone could ask for. 10/10 climbing but 0/10 for the fear of Mormon Crickets in every single pocket you went for. 

Tom Rangitsch · · Lander, Wy · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 1,699

My read on this is that the admins for the Lander area have been trying to limit information on the North Country mostly due to the parking situation.  Originally it wasn't in the guide for this reason, but you could get a topo at Wild Iris.  With it being published in the guidebook, I think that this no longer holds weight.   If someone wants to publish a description on MP, then more power to them, with that caveats that they use an original description and mention that the parking access has limitations and approaching from the Aspen Glades is preferable.  That stated, if there is room at the switchback and you can park well off the road, then I personally don't see an issue with parking there until the forest service completely shuts it down.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Wyoming, Montana, Dakotas
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