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New and Experienced Climbers Over 50 #9

dragons · · MWV, NH · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 777
Carl Schneider wrote:

I MIGHT have been suggesting a flabby body is more appealing than a non flabby one?

That's why they say "flab is fab", right?

ErikaNW · · Golden, CO · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 145

Thanks for all of the JTree advice in the last 50+ thread. We made reservations for Indian Cove camping and plan to be there 12/17 - 12/25 or so, weather depending. Have already touched base with Lori, but if anyone else wants to meet up to climb (or eat) hit me up! Erika

Señor Arroz · · LA, CA · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10
ErikaNW wrote: Thanks for all of the JTree advice in the last 50+ thread. We made reservations for Indian Cove camping and plan to be there 12/17 - 12/25 or so, weather depending. Have already touched base with Lori, but if anyone else wants to meet up to climb (or eat) hit me up! Erika

That's great. I might try to make it out there on the early end of your stay. If you want to send me a PM with your campsite number and phone # that would probably help connecting. Cell phones are spotty in Indian Cove but better than the rest of JT. 

Lori Milas · · Rocklin, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 190
Señor Arroz wrote:

That's great. I might try to make it out there on the early end of your stay. If you want to send me a PM with your campsite number and phone # that would probably help connecting. Cell phones are spotty in Indian Cove but better than the rest of JT. 

We could all meet up and decorate Joshua Trees with little red dingle balls?  

I don't know if Guy (or whoever it was) was serious about violation of terms of service when I suggested that our AirB&B is open to visitors, and Tony makes a mean pasta.  Hungry climbers are welcome!  We'll be in Josh Dec 7-29... and if there is any reason to stay for New Years, I'm open to that.  If you think you might be in the area, please include me in!!!  

Walt Heenan · · New Paltz, NY · Joined May 2014 · Points: 10
frank minunni wrote:

I would have clipped the bolt, then tied the rope off  and descended with a biner brake backed up with a prussick.  At that point, who cares what's left behind.

Might be a good general approach if your belayer is having a heart attack. Not sure I'd want to be lowered.

Awesome story BTW.  Keep em coming.
Russ Walling · · Overlord @ FishProducts · Joined Oct 2004 · Points: 3,426
Lori Milas wrote:

We could all meet up and decorate Joshua Trees with little red dingle balls?  

I don't know if Guy (or whoever it was) was serious about violation of terms of service when I suggested that our AirB&B is open to visitors, and Tony makes a mean pasta.  Hungry climbers are welcome!  We'll be in Josh Dec 7-29... and if there is any reason to stay for New Years, I'm open to that.  If you think you might be in the area, please include me in!!!  

Dat wuz me... not kidding about the airbnb stuff.  They are in such bad standing out here that any violation could take you down. Not to alarm, but, extra guests can open you up to extra per night charges for each guest, forfeit of your deposit, a bad review to sour you next airbnb booking attempt and if they really want to bust your balls, an immediate eviction and you forfeit the rest of the money you paid for whatever time you have left on your stay.


Besides that, have fun! 

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275
Lori Milas wrote:

We could all meet up and decorate Joshua Trees with little red dingle balls?  

I don't know if Guy (or whoever it was) was serious about violation of terms of service when I suggested that our AirB&B is open to visitors, and Tony makes a mean pasta.  Hungry climbers are welcome!  We'll be in Josh Dec 7-29... and if there is any reason to stay for New Years, I'm open to that.  If you think you might be in the area, please include me in!!!  

I can see the headline now:

Ill-fated Airbnb Party starts with Pasta...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/hotels/2019/11/04/orinda-airbnb-shooting-party-house-ban-incites-questions-skeptics/4154696002/
Lori Milas · · Rocklin, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 190
Russ Walling wrote:

Dat wuz me... not kidding about the airbnb stuff.  They are in such bad standing out here that any violation could take you down. Not to alarm, but, extra guests can open you up to extra per night charges for each guest, forfeit of your deposit, a bad review to sour you next airbnb booking attempt and if they really want to bust your balls, an immediate eviction and you forfeit the rest of the money you paid for whatever time you have left on your stay.


Besides that, have fun! 

Oh my goodness!  I had it all backwards, Russ!  I searched TOS on MP trying to figure out if there even was such a thing as TOS here.  

I know the renters of our AirB&B pretty well... I would have checked in with them anyway.  But I could be in for a surprise!  Thank you for the reminder, and I'll call them today to see where they stand with visitors.  

But on a related subject: perhaps you (and others?) can weigh in on a possible move to Joshua Tree.  I continue to stall out on this subject... each time I go there I promise myself I will really check things out and each time I come home empty-handed.  I saw a realtor last time I was in town, that went nowhere.  

I have considered all kinds of options: buying a smallish house with a guest house for Air B&B --but I have the feeling the market is saturated and it might be a whole lot of work I don't need. Or perhaps I could just rent something 6 months out of the year and keep my home here in Sacramento for the other 6.  Or maybe it's time for an outright move.  I've also been looking at mobile home parks (not too promising).  Or an RV so we can just travel when we feel like it. (keep my home and business here, drive off into the sunset whenever the urge strikes).    

Todd Gordon sounded so positive about moving to Josh and 'the summers here are great' except I notice that Todd and his family leaves every summer.     In fact, everyone I know leaves for the summer.  so maybe it's not so great after all?  

I've been to and stayed in Joshua Tree so many times in my life I feel like it is a second home.  I happen to love the heat--not sure about the winter cold.  I certainly suffer here in Sacramento with the months of cold, wet and dark weather every year and each year it gets harder.  I know there's a path here... just don't know what it is yet.   
Lori Milas · · Rocklin, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 190

Got a very quick response from my Air B&B.  She likes us.  We get to have guests!!!  

Pasta offer still open.     

crewdog lm · · Nevada · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 25

King Ulysses on this topic.

"Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."

My hermeneutics: 1.) What we've gained is actually of greater import than what we've lost - even if some things are out of reach. 2.) Don't make the trite concession that the so-called "dad bod" is inevitable. Get hard and climb that 5.8 proud...
 

Lori Milas · · Rocklin, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 190
crewdog lm wrote: King Ulysses on this topic.

"Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."

My hermeneutics: 1.) What we've gained is actually of greater import than what we've lost - even if some things are out of reach. 2.) Don't make the trite concession that the so-called "dad bod" is inevitable. Get hard and climb that 5.8 proud...
 

This is a beautiful post, crewdog.  Seriously.. just perfect.  So glad you found that quote! 

And your last sentence a reminder to me especially, to rethink my 'to do' list for my own upcoming trip in a few days.  I'm a pretty solid 5.8 climber.  5.9's and 5.10's are pretty rare...but I forget about that and think of myself as a 5.10 climber.  I don't want to set myself up for big disappointments.   Time to get back to some reality and redo the list.   
Russ Walling · · Overlord @ FishProducts · Joined Oct 2004 · Points: 3,426

If you move to JT get the most modern house you can afford... with real AC

Señor Arroz · · LA, CA · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10
Lori Milas · · Rocklin, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 190
Señor Arroz wrote:

At least this isn't likely to happen.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/11/some-gay-porn-directors-make-bad-airbnb-guests.html

Well now that we have carte blanc to party at the AirB&B, does anyone know a gay porn star?  Let’s get this thing rolling!  

crewdog lm · · Nevada · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 25
Lori Milas wrote:

This is a beautiful post, crewdog.  Seriously.. just perfect.  So glad you found that quote! 

And your last sentence a reminder to me especially, to rethink my 'to do' list for my own upcoming trip in a few days.  I'm a pretty solid 5.8 climber.  5.9's and 5.10's are pretty rare...but I forget about that and think of myself as a 5.10 climber.  I don't want to set myself up for big disappointments.   Time to get back to some reality and redo the list.   

Thanks Lori. I'd just about wager you're solid no kidding... And I find it humorous to consider the JT 5.8's that would severely damage the fragile modern ego conditioned by climbing gym grades. 5.8 isn't beginner climbing? What? ...and still no participation medal at the top of the Dogleg crack either right? Ouch.  Recall, King Ulysses made that speech after fighting the Trojan War and after killing all the little shits who tried to steal his bride and usurp the throne in his absence. His enemies underestimated the strength he still had and,  the power of his experience. This is the province of youth.  They sometimes learn, that old Lion still has claws and teeth. Get after it Lori...

Neque cedere - "and not to yield"

Señor Arroz · · LA, CA · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10
crewdog lm wrote:

Thanks Lori. I'd just about wager you're solid no kidding... And I find it humorous to consider the JT 5.8's that would severely damage the fragile modern ego conditioned by climbing gym grades. 5.8 isn't beginner climbing? What? ...and still no participation medal at the top of the Dogleg crack either right? Ouch.  Recall, King Ulysses made that speech after fighting the Trojan War and after killing all the little shits who tried to steal his bride and usurp the throne in his absence. His enemies underestimated the strength he still had and,  the power of his experience. This is the province of youth.  They sometimes learn, that old Lion still has claws and teeth. Get after it Lori...

Neque cedere - "and not to yield"



You make a valid point. Royal Robbins wasn't a 5.10 climber when he sent The Open Book, either. 

Lori Milas · · Rocklin, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 190
crewdog lm wrote:

Thanks Lori. I'd just about wager you're solid no kidding... And I find it humorous to consider the JT 5.8's that would severely damage the fragile modern ego conditioned by climbing gym grades. 5.8 isn't beginner climbing? What? ...and still no participation medal at the top of the Dogleg crack either right? Ouch.  Recall, King Ulysses made that speech after fighting the Trojan War and after killing all the little shits who tried to steal his bride and usurp the throne in his absence. His enemies underestimated the strength he still had and,  the power of his experience. This is the province of youth.  They sometimes learn, that old Lion still has claws and teeth. Get after it Lori...

Neque cedere - "and not to yield"



This is just so beautiful and has such dignity. I thought about your quote all day because it’s so truthful about our lives at this incredible moment of time.  

Also... anyone who uses the word “hermeneutics” has my total attention. What else haven’t you said all these thousands of posts? Say on!  

crewdog lm · · Nevada · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 25
Lori Milas wrote:

This is just so beautiful and has such dignity. I thought about your quote all day because it’s so truthful about our lives at this incredible moment of time.  

Also... anyone who uses the word “hermeneutics” has my total attention. What else haven’t you said all these thousands of posts? Say on! I 

LOL Thank you but I haven't contributed much here Lori - probably a good thing. "Hermeneutics" ...ugh - side-effect of my theological education which I thoroughly wasted and defiled in rogue fashion.  I was gone from climbing for a long time - flying around the world in a big airplane. Retired from the Air Force in 2017. Climbing renaissance in progress...
Nivel Egres · · New York, NY · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 160

How are you all? 

Lori Milas · · Rocklin, CA · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 190
crewdog lm wrote: LOL Thank you but I haven't contributed much here Lori - probably a good thing. "Hermeneutics" ...ugh - side-effect of my theological education which I thoroughly wasted and defiled in rogue fashion.  I was gone from climbing for a long time - flying around the world in a big airplane. Retired from the Air Force in 2017. Climbing renaissance in progress...

Welcome home!  

So many times when I was in college (majoring in Classical Chinese) I would be challenged "What will you DO with this?" I did not have a proper answer.  We of course do not defile what we held dear, we just continue to evolve it wherever we go, whatever we do.  

Fortunately, because we get some extra years, we can recreate ourselves over and over.  Now it's time to experience being a real climber.     
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