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Boise climber death 10/8/19

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Colonel Forbin · · Boise Idaho · Joined Jun 2019 · Points: 61

 wondering what happened at the black cliffs today. And with the death at castle rock recently, the two spots I climb the most have me thinking alot. Can anyone shed light on what happened?

Grant Breidenbach · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2019 · Points: 0

There is a really informative post about what happened at Castle in July. I linked it below: https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/117400634/death-at-castle-rocks-idaho

I also would hope that someone can say exactly what happened today at the cliffs. It’s scary to see tragedy like this at the home crag.
The news reports said “equipment issue” but that doesn’t make much sense. Gear rarely fails, it’s usually some sort of distraction/complacency and bottom line user error.

40’ in the mid cliffs (where I believe this happened from a photo I saw) would be about anchor height.
I don’t want to hypothesize without more info. I just pray for the climber and peace for his partners.

CD Transporter · · Boise, ID · Joined Jun 2018 · Points: 0

From the pictures in the news articles, it looks like it was the Mid Cliffs near More Than I Can Chew (5.9).

Colonel Forbin · · Boise Idaho · Joined Jun 2019 · Points: 61

I read about the castle rock accident. Getting dropped off the end of the rope is digestible, but "equipment failure" freaks me out.  Makes my head spin. Maybe he was cleaning and something happened when he unclipped to rap? 

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Colonel Forbin wrote: I read about the castle rock accident. Getting dropped off the end of the rope is digestible, but "equipment failure" freaks me out.
It's a news report - don't get wrapped up in the likely incorrect two word explanation. Assume the writer doesn't know what a rope is or how a biner is used.
Dustin Stotser · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2014 · Points: 361

Grant's news quote was "equipment issue" which could be anything equipment related and not necessarily a "failure".

Colonel quoted "equipment failure" which I took as a misquote of Grant which does seem scarier, but as Marc said, it makes no sense to get worked up over a news article's summary.

Blake Bolton · · Boise · Joined Nov 2017 · Points: 0

Equipment issue is very different from failure, however it can be interpreted in many different ways. It's a tragic accident and scary to see this happen at the home crag. I too want know what happened. Did some gear pull? Anchor cleaning accident?
I will add that I once watched a climber deck from the top of Urban Ascent as result of not tying into his harness correctly. It's a strong reminder to always check your systems and not become complacent. Gravity doesn't offer second chances.

Condolences to friends, family and all of those involved. May they find comfort in this difficult time.

Grant Breidenbach · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2019 · Points: 0

I 100% agree that equipment failure and issue can be very different things, and I also know that local news media really does not understand climbing.
At this time this KTVB article uses both the words “failure” and “issue” in the article: https://www.ktvb.com/mobile/article/news/local/blacks-cliff-boise-man-fall-dies/277-467e9f28-4bf7-4606-9f19-a8c295b06c2a 
my takeaway- the news has no idea what happened and we can’t really know either until we have more info. 

Greg D · · Here · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 883

I looked at 5 different articles. They all used that same phrase “equipment issue”.  It seems more like they are just repeating something they were told by someone on the scene. So they are not getting it wrong, at least this time.

 Regardless of the cause, it is very unfortunate. Be safe out there people.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Greg D wrote: I looked at 5 different articles. They all used that same phrase.  It seems more like they are just repeating something they were told by someone on the scene. So they are not getting it wrong, at least this time

Who very possibly (likely, even?) that they know as much about climbing as the reporters. For a lot of Sheriffs and LEO's, any separation of a climber from his/her gear/rope/anchor/et al is "equipment failure".

Greg D · · Here · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 883
Marc801 C wrote:

Who very possibly (likely, even?) that they know as much about climbing as the reporters. For a lot of Sheriffs and LEO's, any separation of a climber from his/her gear/rope/anchor/et al is "equipment failure".

Huh?  I didn’t read the word “failure” anywhere. 

Colonel Forbin · · Boise Idaho · Joined Jun 2019 · Points: 61

Sorry maybe I miss read the articles. Either way its scary this happens. There certainly isn't any second chances. The 3 people that watched it happen must be deeply torn forever. I couldn't imagine. Let's all just stay safe and humble. I thank every time out when it goes smoothly. It's too easy to make a catastrophic mistake 

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Greg D wrote:

Huh?  I didn’t read the word “failure” anywhere. 

It's generic. Substitute "issue" or any other word that satisfies literalism.

Blake Bolton · · Boise · Joined Nov 2017 · Points: 0
Greg D wrote:

Huh?  I didn’t read the word “failure” anywhere. 

The top summary underneath the photo in the link provided says failure.

Ryan Pfleger · · Boise, ID · Joined Sep 2014 · Points: 20

Thanks for sharing, Von. I'm so sorry for your loss.

Old lady H · · Boise, ID · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 1,074

This is so sad. My deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of this gentleman, and to the multiple communities involved. Thank you for your service, sir. RIP

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/5825488/special-tactics-airman-killed-training-incident?fbclid=IwAR0QVFN5dLR2f-l8WpEzPaz3vpmflSXmE2hOGo0OtHlqfUI8tVqCHvdd2Ac

Best, Helen

Buck Rogers · · Germany · Joined Nov 2018 · Points: 205
Old lady H wrote: This is so sad. My deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of this gentleman, and to the multiple communities involved. Thank you for your service, sir. RIP

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/5825488/special-tactics-airman-killed-training-incident?fbclid=IwAR0QVFN5dLR2f-l8WpEzPaz3vpmflSXmE2hOGo0OtHlqfUI8tVqCHvdd2Ac

Best, Helen

Oh no.  So sad.

I worked with a number of PJ’s while deployed and everyone of them was as professional and humble and amazing as they come.  
So sorry to read this.
Old lady H · · Boise, ID · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 1,074
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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