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Why do people like climbing at Red Rocks?


Nicholas Gillman · · Las Vegas · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 327
bkozak wrote: Red Rock is just pretty looking choss.  Nothing worthwhile to climb here.  I should've stayed in Virginia and kept doing some REAL climbing at Carderock.

Pshhh Elizabeth Furnace or GTFO 

C Archibolt · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 959
Kevin Heckeler wrote:

Mostly agree, next time in SLC will be for 20 minutes in the car while passing through to City of Rocks or the Tetons.  Our one trip that included SLC quickly removed it from our list of potential Western move destinations.  We fell on Vegas because it was central [Northern AZ, Sierras, cheap flights to Northwest coast destinations] with Red Rock in our backyard.  No regrets in the year+.

Let’s be clear, Red Rocks is great. Vegas is a contender for the most repugnant city in the US. With 2 million people and no water, it’s an environmental atrocity, not to mention a moral wasteland where every hideous facet of capitalism is painted gold and sold to fat drunk hobby-less midwesterners. 
Rob warden The space lizard · · Now...where? · Joined Sep 2009 · Points: 0
C Archibolt wrote: Let’s be clear, Red Rocks is great. Vegas is a contender for the most repugnant city in the US. With 2 million people and no water, it’s an environmental atrocity, not to mention a moral wasteland where every hideous facet of capitalism is painted gold and sold to fat drunk hobby-less midwesterners. 

Basically actuate


Dont forgot the Californians who cant hack it in socal getting cheap botox here. 
bkozak · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 90
caughtinside wrote:

There is worthwhile stuff in RR, but looking at your ticks I’d say you have yet to find it. 

Kevin Heckeler · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,515
C Archibolt wrote:
Let’s be clear, Red Rocks is great. Vegas is a contender for the most repugnant city in the US. With 2 million people and no water, it’s an environmental atrocity, not to mention a moral wasteland where every hideous facet of capitalism is painted gold and sold to fat drunk hobby-less midwesterners. 

Oh yeah, plenty of undesirables here.  But on the West side of town it's becoming Boulder West.  I've been here for more than a year.  Been on the strip once for a hockey game.  Next plan to go to the strip... yup, another hockey game.  Take what you need from life, leave the rest.  Assumptions don't do much good.   I just assume all people living in the rich parts of town are selfish assholes, so I guess what comes around...

There's not much water for SLC, Phoenix, or LA either.  The entire Western US is severely water deficient for such population densities.  The entire urban West, technically, is an "environmental atrocity".  LA being the epicenter, literally stealing their water to exist.  And as it gets warmer each year and droughts longer water is going to become an even more critical issue.  For everyone out West.

So check that condescension and recognize you aint no saint, either.  ;)

“Second to Nevada, Utah is the driest state in the nation and climate change is not something that we can deny."
According to Baker, Utah’s water consumption is among the highest in the nation, as 160-170 gallons of water are used per person each day, mostly to support agricultural industries. She added that Utahns pay less than a penny per gallon, making it the second-lowest water per gallon rate in the nation.
https://www.deseret.com/2019/6/23/20676273/can-utah-s-water-supply-keep-up-with-its-booming-population
Kevin Heckeler · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,515
bkozak wrote: Red Rock is just pretty looking choss.  Nothing worthwhile to climb here.  I should've stayed in Virginia and kept doing some REAL climbing at Carderock.

Absolutely, what a fucking choss pile.  Everyone should just stay home.  Nothing to see here. :p

Doug Lintz · · Kearney, NE · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 1,150
FrankPS wrote: It's popular because Wayne Newton is nearby. And Howard Hughes.

Quit living in the past, dude!

These days, it's Henry Winkler and that guy from Saved By the Bell. And that girl from Saved By the Bell.

Cosmiccragsman AKA Dwain · · Las Vegas, Nevada · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 106
Doug Lintz wrote:

Quit living in the past, dude!

These days, it's Henry Winkler and that guy from Saved By the Bell. And that girl from Saved By the Bell.

Don't forget, Alex Honnold!


Long Ranger · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 321
hifno wrote:

Ah, that's a good one, and I even live in the area. I would still say that the respective quality of every style is at a higher level at Red Rocks, plus with multiple times the number of routes.

I would concede to that point, if we ignore the other areas within an hour's drive, including the best alpine big wall in the lower 48. But, you know our sandstone has one big advantage: it rained today, you know when I was able to climb?

Later the same day.

Kevin Heckeler · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,515
Long Ranger wrote:

I would concede to that point, if we ignore the other areas within an hour's drive, including the best alpine big wall in the lower 48. But, you know our sandstone has one big advantage: it rained today, you know when I was able to climb?

Later the same day.

It rained sometime in June.  I think.  Know when I lost a day to the weather?  Sometime in June, maybe.  :p

[but last winter here was miserable, one of the wettest ever... and bone dry since Spring]
Evan Crumpecker · · Colorado Springs · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 185
 * Just a thought: Red Rocks must be pretty awesome if Alex Honnold and a handful of other pros picked Las Vegas as a residence to have RR be in their backyard haha!  

Hear that, front range? All good climbing is in Vegas now, you can go ahead and move there now, k thanks.

Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 10
Kevin Heckeler wrote:

Oh yeah, plenty of undesirables here.  But on the West side of town it's becoming Boulder West.  I've been here for more than a year.  Been on the strip once for a hockey game.  Next plan to go to the strip... yup, another hockey game.  Take what you need from life, leave the rest.  Assumptions don't do much good.   I just assume all people living in the rich parts of town are selfish assholes, so I guess what comes around...

There's not much water for SLC, Phoenix, or LA either.  The entire Western US is severely water deficient for such population densities.  The entire urban West, technically, is an "environmental atrocity".  LA being the epicenter, literally stealing their water to exist.  And as it gets warmer each year and droughts longer water is going to become an even more critical issue.  For everyone out West.

So check that condescension and recognize you aint no saint, either.  ;)

https://www.deseret.com/2019/6/23/20676273/can-utah-s-water-supply-keep-up-with-its-booming-population

Yeah, talk to the folks in the Owens Valley about that....


Funny story, I was being heavily recruited to join a software firm in LV, and they flew me out to LV and before we even landed at McCarren I knew my answer was going to be a big fat NO EFFING WAY.  It is in the middle of a desert...people weren't meant to live in the desert, at least not in the numbers that are there.

I am from Minnesota where we get a good amount of rain, and everything is green (or white) and I would seriously miss that if I moved to the desert.  
Gumby King · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined Jun 2016 · Points: 25

I went to RR once.  It snowed.  It sucked.

C Archibolt · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 959
Kevin Heckeler wrote:

Oh yeah, plenty of undesirables here.  But on the West side of town it's becoming Boulder West.  I've been here for more than a year.  Been on the strip once for a hockey game.  Next plan to go to the strip... yup, another hockey game.  Take what you need from life, leave the rest.  Assumptions don't do much good.   I just assume all people living in the rich parts of town are selfish assholes, so I guess what comes around...

There's not much water for SLC, Phoenix, or LA either.  The entire Western US is severely water deficient for such population densities.  The entire urban West, technically, is an "environmental atrocity".  LA being the epicenter, literally stealing their water to exist.  And as it gets warmer each year and droughts longer water is going to become an even more critical issue.  For everyone out West.

So check that condescension and recognize you aint no saint, either.  ;)

https://www.deseret.com/2019/6/23/20676273/can-utah-s-water-supply-keep-up-with-its-booming-population

I called someone else off their high horse and saddled mine all in one night. Solid work. 

Ashort · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 55
Buck Rio wrote:

Yeah, talk to the folks in the Owens Valley about that....


Funny story, I was being heavily recruited to join a software firm in LV, and they flew me out to LV and before we even landed at McCarren I knew my answer was going to be a big fat NO EFFING WAY.  It is in the middle of a desert...people weren't meant to live in the desert, at least not in the numbers that are there.

I am from Minnesota where we get a good amount of rain, and everything is green (or white) and I would seriously miss that if I moved to the desert.  

Funny story? Your sense of humor is odd. It's like a humble brag and gatekeeping all wrapped up in to one. Hilarious dude.

I like the hate vegas gets from the outside, makes it more interesting, while exposing biases and ignorance.
Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 10
Ashort wrote:

Funny story? Your sense of humor is odd. It's like a humble brag and gatekeeping all wrapped up in to one. Hilarious dude.

I like the hate vegas gets from the outside, makes it more interesting, while exposing biases and ignorance.

I don't see where I was bragging about anything. Not my intention.  Mea Culpa. And I have no hate for anyplace, just would find living there pretty oppressive.

Everyone has biases dude. My mom hates the cold so she lives in Phoenix. If you are used to green trees and lakes(not reservoir), LV would be a very poor choice.

Russ B · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 52
C Archibolt wrote:

I called someone else off their high horse and saddled mine all in one night. Solid work. 

I dunno anything about a high horse, or being called off anything, I'm still pretty sure what I was actually told is true by the way it struck a cord with so many of y'all.

I also don't know how my smart ass comment lead this thread to an argument over which place is more fun, and what near-by city is better, but some people will try to argue about anything.

m Mobes · · MDI, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 910
C Archibolt wrote:

I'm a Salt Lake City climber headed to LCC in a few minutes hoping the rain holds, but dear God... LCC and Red Rocks aren't even in the same arena. Red Rocks is world class sandstone multi-pitch and LCC is a two-star local crag with a few good cracks and a lifetime of dirty slabs. Get off the high horse. 

LCC only a 2 star yokel canyon? C'mon. 

Vegas is no destination for a fun week\weekend of camping and climbing like it used to be before the suburbs oozed all the way to the loop road. Now its good for people who like AirBB/sleazy hotels, cheap booze,pornography galore, weed and soft ratings. 
Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
m Mobes wrote:

LCC only a 2 star yokel canyon? C'mon. 

“Local”, not “yokel”. And compared to other granite areas, really kind of meh, both from a rock quality and topologic standpoint. 
Big B · · Sin City, NV · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 1
Doug Lintz wrote:

Quit living in the past, dude!

These days, it's Henry Winkler and that guy from Saved By the Bell. And that girl from Saved By the Bell.

please, locals know ... it’s all about the juice

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Nevada
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