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Leo S · · Minneapolis, MN · Joined Mar 2019 · Points: 0

wtf does the military have to do with this at all? this is the worst thread ever. lmao

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65

What part of "voluntary" are some people here failing to grasp?

Justin S · · Plattsburgh, NY · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 120
Leo S wrote: wtf does the military have to do with this at all? this is the worst thread ever. lmao

All I saw from the military related posts was someone looking for a thank you for your service. Buck deleted all his posts so who knows in the long run. 

Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 11
Justin. S wrote:

All I saw from the military related posts was someone looking for a thank you for your service. Buck deleted all his posts so who knows in the long run. 

Me, personally, am uncomfortable with being thanked "for my service". It was my choice. On the other side of the coin, I do appreciate all of the women and men who put their lives on hold to serve. Especially all of the combat arms folks who put themselves in harms way. Sometimes you lose a bit of yourself in the process.

Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 11
Neil and Cassidy wrote:

NEVER EVER EVER even talk to anybody that uses the term SJW or virtue signaling. It is an obvious sign that they do not compromise and are closed minded. I repeat, if someone uses the term SJW or virtue signal ignore them, do not engage, do not listen, for their views are irrelevant and shouldn't even be considered. Use of these two terms is an obvious sign they will never join the side of inclusivity, open mindedness, and celebrating the different experiences and viewpoints of others that us SJWs beleive in. 

Lol, I found this hilarious...

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275
Neil and Cassidy wrote:

NEVER EVER EVER even talk to anybody that uses the term SJW or virtue signaling. It is an obvious sign that they do not compromise and are closed minded. I repeat, if someone uses the term SJW or virtue signal ignore them, do not engage, do not listen, for their views are irrelevant and shouldn't even be considered. Use of these two terms is an obvious sign they will never join the side of inclusivity, open mindedness, and celebrating the different experiences and viewpoints of others that us SJWs beleive in. 

Ii's very similar to how some people use the term "racist" or "bigot" when they disagree with you.

the schmuck · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 115
Buck Rio wrote:

Me, personally, am uncomfortable with being thanked "for my service". It was my choice. On the other side of the coin, I do appreciate all of the women and men who put their lives on hold to serve. Especially all of the combat arms folks who put themselves in harms way. Sometimes you lose a bit of yourself in the process.

I agree with this. At best it makes me uncomfortable.  At worst, I have a slight urge to punch'em in the face. Lately I have started to respond by asking them to find a way to "serve" themselves. Actually, I think we should have mandatory national service or the draft...civilian or military, your choice. Then, there would be no need for the never ending "thank yous" or bumper sticker patriotism. 

Carolina · · Front Range NC · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 75
the schmuck wrote:

 Actually, I think we should have mandatory national service or the draft...civilian or military, your choice. Then, there would be no need for the never ending "thank yous" or bumper sticker patriotism. 

Agredd.  now do we go back to bashing indian religion.  


Personally I volunteer to leave the tower alone in June.

Clea Taylor · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2018 · Points: 20
Artful Dodger wrote: Hey Buck,

Thanks for your service, appreciate your willingness to share. Would tie in with you any time.

Nincompoops,

Respect your elders, I understand, your parents were away while you were growing up thrashing to electronic media while dreaming of getting some. And now just past eighteen they pitched you out to down size whilst binning your trophies and participation ribbons. And now, you are downplaying the role your betters have had on history. At the very least Veterans deserve latitude, people like Buck were getting shot at so your mommy and daddy could make their precious children. If you think his life was ever easy I entreat you, raise your right hand, swear an oath see how far you get, start in the Marines, infantry, or better yet go Army. Come back and report after you've been there and done that.

As to the voluntary ban, I don't like being told what I can and can't do, but sometimes we do things we don't like for the good order of the community and that includes the indigenous population.

No thanks, nincompoop. I’ll continue to spend my time volunteering with organizations doing good here at home instead of participating in the military industrial complex. After all, that’s what my elders would want (veterans themselves, although they’d never make a show of it on an internet forum).

Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 11
Clea Taylor wrote:

No thanks, nincompoop. I’ll continue to spend my time volunteering with organizations doing good here at home instead of participating in the military industrial complex. After all, that’s what my elders would want (veterans themselves, although they’d never make a show of it on an internet forum).

For someone expounding the understanding and acceptance of native culture, you have little empathy for anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Justin S · · Plattsburgh, NY · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 120
Buck Rio wrote:

For someone expounding the understanding and acceptance of native culture, you have little empathy for anyone who doesn't agree with you.

It sounds like an ignorant individual who has not a clue as to what the military does overseas what so ever. The “military industrial complex” does a lot more than fight wars, but I wouldn’t expect anyone that won’t see the other side of an MP discussion to understand that either. Don’t waste your time Buck.

Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 11
Justin. S wrote:

It sounds like an ignorant individual who has not a clue as to what the military does overseas what so ever. The “military industrial complex” does a lot more than fight wars, but I wouldn’t expect anyone that won’t see the other side of an MP discussion to understand that either. Don’t waste your time Buck.

Roger that...

Justin S · · Plattsburgh, NY · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 120
Buck Rio wrote:

Roger that...

Thy wasn’t meant towards you, I didn’t notice it didn’t quote the text you responded to.

Fionnegan Flaherty · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2019 · Points: 0

The fact is that European settlers (who most people that argue against  the ban decent from) have taken most of Native American land and attempted to destroy their culture. The least we can do is respect their beliefs and sacred places as we would expect them to respect ours.

grog m · · Saltlakecity · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70
Fionnegan Flaherty wrote: The least we can do is respect their beliefs and sacred places as we would expect them to respect ours.

This is just the worst argument. Okay if that's the LEAST we can do, please enlighten me on the MOST that you personally do? Internet virtue signaling doesn't count. 

Attentive Follower · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2018 · Points: 0
Fionnegan Flaherty wrote: The fact is that European settlers (who most people that argue against  the ban decent from) have taken most of Native American land and attempted to destroy their culture. The least we can do is respect their beliefs and sacred places as we would expect them to respect ours.

Should we ask them to respect the natural beauty of the southwestern deserts and tear down the 30 story casino with the 24x7 animated light show near Joshua Tree?

Justin S · · Plattsburgh, NY · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 120
Sloppy Second wrote:

Should we ask them to respect the natural beauty of the southwestern deserts and tear down the 30 story casino with the 24x7 animated light show near Joshua Tree?

That place does look like shit and could most definitely be torn down, but those casinos are generally not voted in by the majority and the wealth goes to a very few individuals who do jack for the rest. 

Fionnegan Flaherty · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2019 · Points: 0
Sloppy Second wrote:

Should we ask them to respect the natural beauty of the southwestern deserts and tear down the 30 story casino with the 24x7 animated light show near Joshua Tree?

The casinos belong to a completely different native nation, if they where asking for the ban I would reconsider but they aren’t. Plenty of other people contribute to the destruction of the Southwest’s natural beauty

Mark Pilate · · MN · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 10
Sloppy Second wrote:

Should we ask them to respect the natural beauty of the southwestern deserts and tear down the 30 story casino with the 24x7 animated light show near Joshua Tree?

What ??!!  After we finally converted the dang heathens to get civilized and worship the almighty dollar, you’d toss aside centuries of hard work have em go back and start worshipping Nature and shit again? 


Cmon Sloppy, I never figured you the SJW type, lol
City Dweller · · New York, NY · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 10
grog m wrote:

This is just the worst argument. Okay if that's the LEAST we can do, please enlighten me on the MOST that you personally do? 

Collectively, we could honor the 1868 Treaty of Ft. Laramie. We could give back the Black Hills. We could restore Lakota Nation. 

Individually, we can encourage congressional representatives to support this position. We can support organizations that advocate for the rights of indigenous people.

Seems pretty straightforward.
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