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Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150

Thanks. 

Mike Mu. · · hagerstown · Joined Feb 2007 · Points: 65
Reformed Troll wrote:
Whoa glazed over a bit after this wall of text, where to even begin with your nonsense?  Lol.

A 2 second google image search amounts to stalking these days?  If you say so.  All the bois from LA so sensitive?  

There is nothing really Alpine in California, the cascades are gettin closer I guess.  I’d imagine you’d probably wee wee in your diaper from some of the things I’ve done, and I’ve done pretty much nothing in the grand scheme.  In fact, people doing anything worthwhile in the mountains likely spend very little/no time here.  

I was stoked on my back to back liberty ridge/north side of mount hood weekend a few years ago, but LR is basically the new dog route on Rainier.  So many GoPro videos of schlubs on that thing these days.  I’m changing diapers now, both at home and online it would seem.  The mountains are on a temporary hold for me.

Speaking for myself, I don’t pick on people for their relative inexperience.  I call people out for sounding/acting ridiculous in general online.  There’s a difference, although the terminally insecure seem to have trouble differentiating in my experience.  I’ll wager your particular butthurt blossomed from your snow creek inquiry and my advice to wait until the snow settled?  Definitely worth being upset over.  Lol?

Get ‘em Burch!!!

Jake Jones · · Richmond, VA · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 1,729

I’m just here for the grammar corrections.

Abandoned User · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 6,695
Reformed Troll wrote:
Whoa glazed over a bit after this wall of text, where to even begin with your nonsense?  Lol.

A 2 second google image search amounts to stalking these days?  If you say so.  All the bois from LA so sensitive?  

There is nothing really Alpine in California, the cascades are gettin closer I guess.  I’d imagine you’d probably wee wee in your diaper from some of the things I’ve done, and I’ve done pretty much nothing in the grand scheme.  In fact, people doing anything worthwhile in the mountains likely spend very little/no time here.  

I was stoked on my back to back liberty ridge/north side of mount hood weekend a few years ago, but LR is basically the new dog route on Rainier.  So many GoPro videos of schlubs on that thing these days.  I’m changing diapers now, both at home and online it would seem.  The mountains are on a temporary hold for me.

Speaking for myself, I don’t pick on people for their relative inexperience.  I call people out for sounding/acting ridiculous in general online.  There’s a difference, although the terminally insecure seem to have trouble differentiating in my experience.  I’ll wager your particular butthurt blossomed from your snow creek inquiry and my advice to wait until the snow settled?  Definitely worth being upset over.  Lol?

What is with your obsession with LA?  Seriously. You seem to have such a weird random hate for an entire city and its people. It’s a little troubling. 


Nothing alpine in California?  You’ve obviously never done Sierra peaks in the winter. Your ego can’t help itself huh?  Just like your buddy. Yes, I would go wee wee if I was on your fake alpine adventures. Let me guess, you were hypothermic in the tarp too?  Was it Rainer or Hood where the bivy in a blizzard happened?  LOL. 

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. All your posts are ridiculous. I’m not upset about Snow Creek at all. I’ll admit that I was wrong about that one. Unlike your snide remarks, along with some other hate mail I got for it, a few people were helpful. A member here, from LA by the way, sent me a PM and kindly educated me on the hazards and that it was probably out of my ability to ski. He was a gentleman about it unlike you who has to constantly stroke his ego. 

Have the last word macho man. Your all so old school tough and defy physics and anatomy.  
bus driver · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 1,180

My state of the union is that I am on climbing forums more than I’m on rock.  My last climbing experience made me realize that it is starting to show in my climbing skills. Too much talking about what I have done and not enough actual doing. 

Abandoned User · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 6,695
Tradiban wrote:

Very apropos, as I was thinking of this today. The climbing "community" has changed alot since I started climbing, we can argue for days as to why, but what I can tell you is that it took more effort to enter the "lifestyle" before than is does now, that's a fact. With that fact in mind I think it's easy to say that a different kind of person is now entering the sport, typically, and in general, this is the,  for lack of a better term, "weaker" kind. 

This weaker kind is approaching the sport from a more academic perspective because it is what they need to feel "safe" enough to participate, being more educated than previous climbers, this is what makes them feel comfortable. Thus, they have a tendency to really sort out, in their minds anyway, all the minutiae with climbing until they can settle on the one way of doing things that makes them feel the proverbial "safe".   

Of course, those of who can see the big picture can easily see that there are many ways to do things, many of which are fine, but the weaker kind just don't have the capacity to understand due to their academic conformity. In other words, the general population is taught to think in only one way and lacks the experience of thinking outside the box.

Your the one I get the least out of this gang. Some of your other posts would suggest you value safety but you seem to go with the flow when it suits your jokes. 


Share your knowledge with a Millennial, oh great and old school stone master from back in the days, do you agree with your friend Master Gumby that it’s a joke to check your knots and whether your tied in?  Is the 2 second check that hard?  It’s the first thing I learned, the horror.  Where’s the hurt in that or are you going to quote some BS alpine light and fast is right mantra?

I might not climb at Tahquitz as much as you but I know that northwest recess has seen a lot of deaths. Why do you poo poo on people who advocate for helmets?  Can you actually articulate why a light piece of equipment like that will hinder a climb?

I was being kind about the runout your friend did. Besides ego or lack of experience, can you make a good case for him putting in 2-3 pieces at most on a pitch that looks like it was easily protectable by cracks or trees?  Why did he lug all that gear up there and not use it? That’s like wearing a harness and not tying in. Bringing shoes and not wearing it.....oh wait, he did that too!  Was he trying to go fast because an avalanche could come down any minute?  LOL. 
Come on. Basically anything that doesn’t conform to your thinking is weak. The first pitch was well done but the guy who did the second and third is a hazard. Can we please just admit that your friend was reckless?  It could have been a lot safer with ZERO downside. 
Mark Pilate · · MN · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 10
Chad Miller wrote:

Reeling another one in …

Haha.  You’re gonna need a bigger boat...

master gumby · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 227
J V wrote:

Your the one I get the least out of this gang. Some of your other posts would suggest you value safety but you seem to go with the flow when it suits your jokes. 


Share your knowledge with a Millennial, oh great and old school stone master from back in the days, do you agree with your friend Master Gumby that it’s a joke to check your knots and whether your tied in?  Is the 2 second check that hard?  It’s the first thing I learned, the horror.  Where’s the hurt in that or are you going to quote some BS alpine light and fast is right mantra?

I might not climb at Tahquitz as much as you but I know that northwest recess has seen a lot of deaths. Why do you poo poo on people who advocate for helmets?  Can you actually articulate why a light piece of equipment like that will hinder a climb?

I was being kind about the runout your friend did. Besides ego or lack of experience, can you make a good case for him putting in 2-3 pieces at most on a pitch that looks like it was easily protectable by cracks or trees?  Why did he lug all that gear up there and not use it? That’s like wearing a harness and not tying in. Bringing shoes and not wearing it.....oh wait, he did that too!  Was he trying to go fast because an avalanche could come down any minute?  LOL. 
Come on. Basically anything that doesn’t conform to your thinking is weak. The first pitch was well done but the guy who did the second and third is a hazard. Can we please just admit that your friend was reckless?  It could have been a lot safer with ZERO downside. 

Bro. I solo your projects at tahquitz. If it makes you feel better I only solo with a helmet on.


For everyone that has died at tahquitz, plz name one that a helmet would have saved?

Thanks for listening! 
master gumby · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 227
J V wrote:

What is with your obsession with LA?  Seriously. You seem to have such a weird random hate for an entire city and its people. It’s a little troubling. 


Nothing alpine in California?  You’ve obviously never done Sierra peaks in the winter. Your ego can’t help itself huh?  Just like your buddy. Yes, I would go wee wee if I was on your fake alpine adventures. Let me guess, you were hypothermic in the tarp too?  Was it Rainer or Hood where the bivy in a blizzard happened?  LOL. 

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. All your posts are ridiculous. I’m not upset about Snow Creek at all. I’ll admit that I was wrong about that one. Unlike your snide remarks, along with some other hate mail I got for it, a few people were helpful. A member here, from LA by the way, sent me a PM and kindly educated me on the hazards and that it was probably out of my ability to ski. He was a gentleman about it unlike you who has to constantly stroke his ego. 

Have the last word macho man. Your all so old school tough and defy physics and anatomy.  

Fun Police · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2019 · Points: 0

Why does MP (REI) tolerate this nonsense? 

Cryin Sheridan · · Western US · Joined Jan 2019 · Points: 1
J V wrote:

Have the last word macho man. 

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 11,510
J V wrote:

Your the one I get the least out of this gang. Some of your other posts would suggest you value safety but you seem to go with the flow when it suits your jokes. 


Share your knowledge with a Millennial, oh great and old school stone master from back in the days, do you agree with your friend Master Gumby that it’s a joke to check your knots and whether your tied in?  Is the 2 second check that hard?  It’s the first thing I learned, the horror.  Where’s the hurt in that or are you going to quote some BS alpine light and fast is right mantra?

I might not climb at Tahquitz as much as you but I know that northwest recess has seen a lot of deaths. Why do you poo poo on people who advocate for helmets?  Can you actually articulate why a light piece of equipment like that will hinder a climb?

I was being kind about the runout your friend did. Besides ego or lack of experience, can you make a good case for him putting in 2-3 pieces at most on a pitch that looks like it was easily protectable by cracks or trees?  Why did he lug all that gear up there and not use it? That’s like wearing a harness and not tying in. Bringing shoes and not wearing it.....oh wait, he did that too!  Was he trying to go fast because an avalanche could come down any minute?  LOL. 
Come on. Basically anything that doesn’t conform to your thinking is weak. The first pitch was well done but the guy who did the second and third is a hazard. Can we please just admit that your friend was reckless?  It could have been a lot safer with ZERO downside. 

Are you stoned?!

m Mobes · · MDI, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 905

I am. No helmet on either.

Mark Pilate · · MN · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 10

This thread needs a helmet.  Some posters have apparently taken a blow to the head....

Bob Ross · · Virginia · Joined Feb 2019 · Points: 0
Fun Police wrote: Why does MP (REI) tolerate this nonsense? 

This shit is what makes it worth it.


*pulls out popcorn*
Brandon Lee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2019 · Points: 0
Gerrit Verbeek wrote: I'm not going to learn how to crack climb or alpine climb from text. What are you going to say, "try to climb upward"? "Look for good placements for your gear"? 

It's midnight and I can't sleep. I'm an absolute beginner, and tomorrow for the first time I will be trying to climb up these granite cracks. My alarm is set for 4. I don't have the Crack Climber's Technique ManuaI, but I open FOTH to Chapter 13 while skimming MP threads and route info. Reading several times through the pages, I try to absorb the basics.

"To jam, place a hand or a foot into a crack, then turn the foot or flex the hand so that it is snugly in contact with both sides of the crack."

I'm a nerd, what else can I say. I sent it.

In moments of doubt, encouraging words from from these pages about climbing upward come to mind, so I do.

I've read most of the threads in many of the subforums. The wealth of information is invaluable.

Here I saw the risk and the reward, and knew that I would climb to the top.
Abandoned User · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 6,695
master gumby wrote:

Bro. I solo your projects at tahquitz. If it makes you feel better I only solo with a helmet on.


For everyone that has died at tahquitz, plz name one that a helmet would have saved?

Thanks for listening! 

Abandoned User · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 6,695
Tradiban wrote:

Are you stoned?!

Cryin Sheridan · · Western US · Joined Jan 2019 · Points: 1

Ahhhhhh, yes.  

The oh-so-predictable stage has been reached, where the guy with no actual points has finally realized it, and just posts unfunny memes with little to nothing to do with anything.

Who needs Ambien when you’ve got MPs #1 comedian chain-posting garbage?

Abandoned User · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 6,695
Reformed Troll wrote: Ahhhhhh, yes.  

The oh-so-predictable stage has been reached, where the guy with no actual points has finally realized it, and just posts unfunny memes with little to nothing to do with anything.

Who needs Ambien when you’ve got MPs #1 comedian chain-posting garbage?

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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