Do you hate contrived climbs?

Well, do ya punk?

I hate contrived climbs, not sure why, you tell me.

I hate contrived trolls. 

Unless it's the absolute easiest most direct path to the top its contrived.

I like the contrived ones the most!

We probably need to hash out what "contrived" means. Here's the dictionary:

adjective

1. deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously.
   • created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic.

I think your argument needs to be defined further. With your given definition of "contrived climb", which is none I cannot comment further.

Are we talking squeeze jobs? Grid bolting? Not intuitive routes? 

master gumby wrote: I think your argument needs to be defined further. With your given definition of "contrived climb", which is none I cannot comment further.

Are we talking squeeze jobs? Grid bolting? Not intuitive routes? 

Yes, it could be any of those. Have you ever tried a "contrived" climb?

Tradiban wrote:

Yes, it could be any of those. Have you ever tried a "contrived" climb?

Oh ya looks like you read my mind by posting the definition. 

Per your definition posted, an old aid line busted open with pin scars would be considered contrived. 

Bouldering is contrived climbing...

Edit: Bouldering isn't actually climbing...  so its just contrived.

Why give them kudos?  All the great lines at established crags are done.   2nd wave of fill ins occurred 20 years ago.  A round of squeeze jobs then followed and now we’re on our second or third round of that.    90% of the traffic is still on the great lines and all those squeeze jobs moss over as fast as they put them up.   The youngens will say “we’ll you don’t have to look at them”.  But fact is every single lump of rock getting grid bolted is both ugly and sort of an embarrassment on the community......of course that squeeze job you’re working on is a missed classic....no doubt.

I don't like climbs which have sections where certain holds are "off", or bolted climbs where the only thing preventing me from going onto easier terrain is the need to clip the bolts.  Basically, once I'm on the line, I want to feel like I can follow my natural instincts without having to worry about "cheating".

There's no such thing as a contrived climb. Use what holds you want and climb where you will. Be honest about what you did.

When you've climbed everything else, then you may be bored enough to try the contrived variation.

It's like at sometime earlier in life, I used to be offended by sloppy seconds, but now I'm kinda all for it.

Kedron Silsbee wrote: I don't like climbs which have sections where certain holds are "off", or bolted climbs where the only thing preventing me from going onto easier terrain is the need to clip the bolts.  Basically, once I'm on the line, I want to feel like I can follow my natural instincts without having to worry about "cheating".

Yes, but why is this offensive? Perhaps it's the break in the "flow" that's distracting? Really pulls you out of the moment?

see answer #2

Nick Goldsmith wrote: see answer #2

Tradiban wrote:

Yes, but why is this offensive? Perhaps it's the break in the "flow" that's distracting? Really pulls you out of the moment?

Also, something that's just a TR that's contrived is much less offensive to me than a bolted contrivance.

I mean "offensive" might be a bit of a strong word, but yeah; it's a distracting break in the flow.  I would agree it doesn't bother me as much if it's a TR.  Maybe there's no fear factor if it's a TR, so going the harder way for no good reason is easier to accept.  That, and I tend to think fewer bolts on a cliff are generally nicer, so a bolted line has to be a bit better to justify its existence.  

At this point in my life, hate is all that I have.
I am a 220 pound ball of hate.
So contrived climbs are just part of it all.

Any climb where I can't do the moves is contrived.

Hating contrived climbs shows a failure of imagination. Most rock climbs are contrived - it is usually SO much easier to just walk around the back to get to the top. The less you depend on a "natural line" to enjoy the climb, the more free you are to enjoy any absurd and fun moves you might make on the rock. What's to hate?

The second you yell up to me “no that hold or that corner is off” then I’m over it. There’s too much unclimbed rock in this world to have to squeeze in new stuff on already overbolted crags. You just have to have the wherewithal to do the scouting and bushwhacking and cleaning and networking and all it takes to develop something. But I’m just an old curmudgeon and my world view is a bit whacked. Take it for what’s its worth. 

Modern times Direct; the black line
( which, in my opinion, is A far better climb, the 'directisima' so less contrived  a climb than the "new?"  Modern Psychedelic.  )