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Orange Trash


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Sherri Lewis · · Sequim, WA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 250

We picked up these orange peels (and more) which were strewn for several meters on the climbers' trail to Cat in the Hat/Cookie Monster this afternoon.  Please pack out your own garbage next time.  

Steve Williams · · Denver, CO · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 235

Good on you, Sherri!!!!

Fehim Hasecic · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 150

What’s the big deal, that’s biodegradable (eventually)

brian n · · Manchester, WA · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 87

Here we go... its the banana peel argument all over again.

Josh Cameron · · M.O.A.B. · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 1,120
Fehim Hasecic wrote: What’s the big deal, that’s biodegradable (eventually)

Once upon a time, a father climbed to the top of a mountain with his son in tow, he wanted the wise man to keep it on the downlow, that his son says "what's the big deal? Orange peels, they're biodegradable."  The wise man just shook his head before he took a breath and said. "Yes they are and orange peels form a mighty big lump because you just made the backcountry look like a compost dump." 

Sherri Lewis · · Sequim, WA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 250
Fehim Hasecic wrote: What’s the big deal, that’s biodegradable (eventually)

According to the AAC (I noticed the membership icon showing up on your MP profile), "Since its founding in 1902, the American Alpine Club has been a force in helping safeguard our country’s wild landscapes and natural treasures. Working alongside our members and partners, we focus on critical issues facing climbers and outdoor recreation nationally, such as keeping public lands pristine..."

Poop is biodegradeable, too.  Doesn't mean it's cool to leave it in the middle of the trail.  
. Mobes · · MDI · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 865

It's so easy to bury and\or carry. 

George Bracksieck · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 1,446
Fehim Hasecic wrote: What’s the big deal, that’s biodegradable (eventually)

Orange peels take years to degrade. 

Hobo Greg · · My Van · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 190
. Mobes wrote: It's so easy to bury and\or carry. 

No reason to bury it. If you carried it in unpeeled, WHEN IT WAS HEAVIER, why can’t you carry the peel out, WHEN IT IS NOW LIGHTER THAN WHEN YOU CARRIED IT IN??

Matthew Tangeman · · Bellingham, WA · Joined May 2015 · Points: 200

if it doesn't grow there, it doesn't go there.

Magpie79 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 0
Hobo Greg wrote:

No reason to bury it. If you carried it in unpeeled, WHEN IT WAS HEAVIER, why can’t you carry the peel out, WHEN IT IS NOW LIGHTER THAN WHEN YOU CARRIED IT IN??

Peel it at home. Then there is nothing to bring out (except the ziplock bag, which doesn't biodegrade, by the way.) plus, no sticky fingers.

Hobo Greg · · My Van · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 190
Magpie79 wrote:

Peel it at home. Then there is nothing to bring out (except the ziplock bag, which doesn't biodegrade, by the way.) plus, no sticky fingers.

Are we reusing the plastic baggie? If not, the lower impact method would be to peel in the field, and just pocket the peel. Makes your clothes smell like oranges, which unless in grizzly country, ain’t a bad thing.

. Mobes · · MDI · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 865
Hobo Greg wrote:

No reason to bury it. If you carried it in unpeeled, WHEN IT WAS HEAVIER, why can’t you carry the peel out, WHEN IT IS NOW LIGHTER THAN WHEN YOU CARRIED IT IN??

LNT applies if there is no trace. Of all the huge carbon footprints most of us leave daily all over this planet in the name of climbing it seems that a banana peel deep in the talus field or in a hole is doing more good for the earth than saving it for a landfill.

Hobo Greg · · My Van · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 190
. Mobes wrote:

LNT applies if there is no trace. Of all the huge carbon footprints most of us leave daily all over this planet in the name of climbing it seems that a banana peel deep in the talus field or in a hole is doing more good for the earth than saving it for a landfill.

“Seems like” is the key part there. The landfill’s original ecosystem has long been destroyed. The alpine talus field, not so much. We as humans have a robust track record of screwing things up via unintended consequences. Even if you don’t think a banana peel is a big deal, how big a deal is it to pack it out? Leave it behind, it may have a negative impact on that ecosystem. Pack it out, it will absolutely not have a negative impact on that ecosystem.

Magpie79 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 0
Hobo Greg wrote:

Are we reusing the plastic baggie? If not, the lower impact method would be to peel in the field, and just pocket the peel. Makes your clothes smell like oranges, which unless in grizzly country, ain’t a bad thing.

We are reusing the bag, at least until it gets holes.  I want to minimize what goes to the landfill as much as possible. 

DayMartin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 0

Who doesn’t eat the orange peel too?
WTF

DayMartin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 0

Good karma Sherri - hope RR is being kind to your shoulder.

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0
. Mobes wrote:

LNT applies if there is no trace. Of all the huge carbon footprints most of us leave daily all over this planet in the name of climbing it seems that a banana peel deep in the talus field or in a hole is doing more good for the earth than saving it for a landfill.

This makes no sense. 

And we’re talking about an orange peel, so if you want to participate in the discussion please get your fruit straight. 
. Mobes · · MDI · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 865
mediocre wrote:

This makes no sense. 

And we’re talking about an orange peel, so if you want to participate in the discussion please get your fruit straight. 

I one time gave a squirrel my apple core. 

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 11,490
Matt Wenger · · Bozeman · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 2,949

Kind of related: Don't throw your peels out the window of your cars either. It attracts rodents, which attracts birds of prey, which then get hit by cars while hunting said rodents. 

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Nevada
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