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Trump is at it again!


m Mobes · · MDI, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 905
Kevinmurray wrote: We have been heading backwards since 1-20-17.

Don't fool yourself, Obama appointed  a few Monsanto cronies himself. As Rep. Omar said “We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was.”

Kevinmurray · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 0

Most politicians appoint or bring some disagreeable people with them but don't have nearly the agenda that trump has. I heard the other day that there is a proposal to establish 5 new national monuments in the near future,all of them small and in the eastern part of the country. You can bet there are no extractive mineral deposit's around those.

O · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 65
Kevinmurray wrote: Most politicians appoint or bring some disagreeable people with them but don't have nearly the agenda that trump has. I heard the other day that there is a proposal to establish 5 new national monuments in the near future,all of them small and in the eastern part of the country. You can bet there are no extractive mineral deposit's around those.

Executive order declaring lands “federal” in opposition of the state where it is... that sounds like abuse and overstep from the federal government.

Regardless of the reasons (marijuana, guns, border walls, antiquities, etc.) you can agree with the reasoning and not the process. Using executive order to force your opinion and override local/state jurisdiction is literally bypassing the checks and balances of the government. If we didn’t allow this to happen, we wouldn’t have to worry about extreme sided politicians abusing power.
If Bolt wars solve nothing in the climbing community, how do similar actions solve anything in the real world?
Tyler Johnson · · Santa Barbara · Joined Nov 2017 · Points: 119
. Mobes wrote:

Having a former coal lobbyist as head of the EPA does not make me feel good at all. We may be heading backwards.

We are heading backwards, but that's part of my point. The EPA has historically accomplished very important things and people are trying to either sabotage or dismantle it. 

plantmandan · · Brighton, CO · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 50

The EPA is a victim of its own success. It was created with bipartisan support and finalized by an executive order from Richard Nixon of all people. Pollution was much more visible back then, so there wasn't a lot of debate (similar to China today, where people are getting more fed up with pollution). Today it's much easier for some politicians to argue that the EPA is unnecessary because rivers are no longer combusting and air quality is typically better in the U.S.

As if polluting industries would just self-regulate if they had that option. 

O · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 65
plantmandan wrote: The EPA is a victim of its own success. It was created with bipartisan support and finalized by an executive order from Richard Nixon of all people. Pollution was much more visible back then, so there wasn't a lot of debate (similar to China today, where people are getting more fed up with pollution). Today it's much easier for some politicians to argue that the EPA is unnecessary because rivers are no longer combusting and air quality is typically better in the U.S.

As if polluting industries would just self-regulate if they had that option. 

The solution wouldn’t be to regulate yourself. No one with a brain would argue that. The “theory” would be to say “comply with simple regulations or be banned from doing business here”. 

Fines and slaps on the wrist don’t go anywhere but push to the consumer to offset the costs or a business leaves to where they can get away with leaving pollution. 

Exxon was banned from operating in alaska after the Valdez for a long time and paid countless fines. But if the US banned them from operating for 10 years from importing or being a minority shareholder in stakes it would prove a much bigger threat if they messed up. 
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