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Best article about the Joshua Tree National Park chaos


Bill Lawry · · New Mexico · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 1,631

Reports are that tree/trees were cut down to make new roads.

Shut it down.

Mobes Mobesely · · MDI · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 865

Luckily some National parks aren't getting trashed! Must be a CA thing eh?

Dylan B. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 521
Caped Baldy · · Auto junkyard · Joined Jul 2018 · Points: 285
Mobes Mobesely wrote: Luckily some National parks aren't getting trashed! Must be a CA thing eh?


That is a lucky thing indeed.  Maybe all the Asian, European, and out-of-state tourists don't rush there like moths to the fire.
Joe De Luca · · yucca valley · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 127

Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion
Edward Abbey quote

Jaren Watson · · Idaho · Joined May 2010 · Points: 2,345
Joe De Luca wrote: Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion
Edward Abbey quote

Have it your way. Those pants do make you look fat.

mnjsan · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 523

I guess this is what Trump is talking about when he says Make America Great Again.

#MAGA

Fehim Hasecic · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 130
Tim Lutz wrote:

Joe Kinder?! is that u???

Touché sir, touché 

Hobo Greg · · My Van · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 175
plantmandan wrote: The 1996 Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act  states that user fees are to be used for maintaining the park, not to pay for park operations.

What’s the difference? Aren’t park operations what maintain the park?

caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 75
Fehim Hasecic wrote:

 Also, since when did taking a shit in the woods turn out to be defecating in the wild? 

Since it became a national park with a sensitive ecosystem. It's not the woods. It's a desert and that makes a big difference.

caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 75

Also, shut it down.

plantmandan · · Brighton, CO · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 50
Hobo Greg wrote:

What’s the difference? Aren’t park operations what maintain the park?

The intent of the law was to provide funding to enhance the park and visitor experience. Park fees increased dramatically at the time with the justification that the parks would be improved as a result. According to the FLREA, user fees are meant for “repair, maintenance, and facility enhancement related directly to visitor enjoyment, visitor access, and health and safety". Under the law, 80 percent of the money collected must be spent on the park. Restoration, trail maintenance, and facility upgrades are some examples of the intended use of these funds. User fees were never meant to go to administrative costs, staff salaries, or routine operations such as trash collection. Those are paid by appropriations from Congress. 

The Park Service is now diverting user fee money that was meant for park improvement to pay for salaries. This would be a bad precedent. Congress could use this justify cutting off appropriations for the National Parks and other federal lands. As a result, an ever greater share of user fees would go to administration and salaries, and less would go to actual park improvement.        

Fehim Hasecic · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 130
caesar.salad wrote:

Since it became a national park with a sensitive ecosystem. It's not the woods. It's a desert and that makes a big difference.

Do you have the numbers? How many shits were taken? How many does it take to make an actual impact? Is this Indian Creek type of deal where turds are considered biohazard?

Mobes Mobesely · · MDI · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 865
Caped Baldy wrote:


That is a lucky thing indeed.  Maybe all the Asian, European, and out-of-state tourists don't rush there like moths to the fire.

Is that the user group that is trashing the parks?

caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 75
Fehim Hasecic wrote:

Do you have the numbers? How many shits were taken? How many does it take to make an actual impact? Is this Indian Creek type of deal where turds are considered biohazard?


Turds don't degrade in the desert nearly as fast as they do in wet environments. Jtree is dry as hell and those turds will be there until they are picked up or for a matter of several years. So watch out for human shit on your shoes next time you're there because the clean up won't find them all.

Kin Bow · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2017 · Points: 0
https://www.joshuatree.org/ 
You can also donate to JTNPA. 
Kin Bow · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2017 · Points: 0
Hobo Greg wrote:

What’s the difference? Aren’t park operations what maintain the park?

Maintenance is like the umbrella over campgrounds, utilities, trails, roads and buildings. Operations is a bit more complex... like general functionality of the park I.e fee booths, visitor centers. 

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Southern California
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