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Ondra on the Salathe


Kat H · · San Diego · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 0

All you grown men spending your work hours debating the climbing merits of a young man (who easily outclimbs every single one of you and does not care about you or your opinions) makes one want to flip the wage gap right around.

Harumpfster Boondoggle · · Between yesterday and today. · Joined Apr 2018 · Points: 0
Jon H wrote: Ondra is the greatest climber who has ever lived, bar none. He could retire tomorrow and his accomplishments wouldn't be outshadowed for generations.

As for those asking why he hasn't established his own FA's... in the Valley, that takes months of labor, if not years. The dude just wants to climb.

Nope. 

There is no "greatest" who ever lived in climbing. Ever.

Adam's climbing has nothing to do with your or my climbing. It is entirely a personal experience.
the schmuck · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 110

there is or always will be someone who is faster on the draw.

Nate Doyle · · Sierra Foothills · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 37
ClimbingOn wrote: I'd like to see him give Meltdown a try. It's possibly the hardest route in the Valley and is unrepeated. I understand that some pitches of the Dawn Wall may be harder according to ratings, but Meltdown may be incredibly difficult due to finger size.

Now repeated, according to some thread here on MP.

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0
Kat H wrote: All you grown men spending your work hours debating the climbing merits of a young man (who easily outclimbs every single one of you and does not care about you or your opinions) makes one want to flip the wage gap right around.

Really? 

Ondra climbing debates are the only reason you want to flip the wage gap?
Jaren Watson · · Idaho · Joined May 2010 · Points: 1,973
Kat H wrote: All you grown men spending your work hours debating the climbing merits of a young man (who easily outclimbs every single one of you and does not care about you or your opinions) makes one want to flip the wage gap right around.

Don’t take away our right to argue about meaningless shit. It’s the only thing we have left.

Corey Herbert · · Baltimore, MD · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 0
Kat H wrote: All you grown men spending your work hours debating the climbing merits of a young man (who easily outclimbs every single one of you and does not care about you or your opinions) makes one want to flip the wage gap right around.

And yet here you are, commenting 7 pages deep on a thread with the word “Ondra” in the title.

Nate Doyle · · Sierra Foothills · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 37

The real issue here is grade gap. Ondra is an evil patriarchal straight white male climbing oppressor.

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0
Corey Herbert wrote:

And yet here we are, commenting 7 pages deep on a thread with the word “Ondra” in the title.

Fixed it for ya.

PosiDave · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 65
Nate Doyle wrote: The real issue here is grade gap. Ondra is an evil patriarchal straight white male climbing oppressor.

Impossible. He upgrades everyone’s old hard climbs to represent the “new style” grading system.


Sounds like a Snowflake to me.
Now Huber, Güllich & Sharma Are then oppressors 
DrRockso · · Red River Gorge, KY · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 356

We were climbing the Nose while Ondra was on Salathe, I thought we heard some distant Banshee screams but we chalked it up to our imagination until coming back down to find out he was trying to onsight Salathe.

Ska Ggs · · NorthEast Stuck · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 50

NO one cares about the the 5.14 Meltdown FA ...cause it was done by a girl. Now that a man has repeated it ... we can talk about it again, jk ...

BUT really no one ever gets hyped up or in these strong debates about the Slaydies doing work ?... I'd argue that some females who climb are 'stronger' than Ondra when it comes to weight room* 

Joe Prescott · · Berlin Germany · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 6

Beth Rodden's accomplisments as a whole (and individualy) are so amazing. People like this would enter into a discussion of 'best rock climber.' If Meltdown was FA'd by a XY, it would probably be upgraded by now! The Wide Boyz played on it (for a shor time) and I think it was so far above them that they walked away. TCpro couldn't send it.

B K · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2018 · Points: 0
Joe Prescott wrote: Beth Rodden's accomplisments as a whole (and individualy) are so amazing. People like this would enter into a discussion of 'best rock climber.' If Meltdown was FA'd by a XY, it would probably be upgraded by now! The Wide Boyz played on it (for a shor time) and I think it was so far above them that they walked away. TCpro couldn't send it.

Beth Rodden has been discussed extensively as one of the best climbers in the world for the last decade plus, as was Lynn Hill in the decades before.  BR is inarguably in the top 0.1%.  No one is saying otherwise.  

But to say she is on the absolute cutting edge along with Ondra, Megos, Sharma, TC et al is objectively false and it is not sexist to say so.
master gumby · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 116

And this thread is about to come unhinged.....

amarius · · Nowhere, OK · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 20

Post by Adam - insta-post

It was such a honour to meet Alan Watts yesterday. He is a pioneer of sport climbing in US who put up the first sport (bolted) route in the country in 1982. Before, everything in the US was trad (placing your own protection) or aid climbing. The birth of sport climbing was difficult even in your Europe, but traditionalists were even stronger in USA. He received a lot of criticism, but later on, Smith Rock became popular and international destination for climbers all around the world and sport climbing got accepted even in US.
This guy had the vision. Being very strong climber himself, he bolted both To Bolt Or Not To Be 5.14a 8b+ (FA Jibe Tribout 1986, done by Watts a few years later as well) and Just Do It 5.14c 8c+ (FA Jibe Tribout 1992). Both of these routes were the first of the grade in the country. Actually there are still futuristic projects bolted back in late 80's that Alan showed me yesterday, still waiting to be climbed..

So refreshing to see climber give credit for developing routes. 
Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 11,455
amarius wrote: Post by Adam - insta-post
So refreshing to see climber give credit for developing routes. 

Just because sport climbing became popular doesn't make it right.

Tim Lutz · · Colo-Rado Springs · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 5
Tradiban wrote:

Just because sport climbing became popular doesn't make it right.

Amen.  Make Trad Crusty Again

climberish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 10
Tim Lutz wrote:

Amen.  Make Trad Crusty Again

Trad is dead, be PROgressive bro, leave the PRO at home.

master gumby · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 116
climberish wrote:

Trad is dead, be PROgressive bro, leave the PRO at home.

3/10

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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