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Tim Lutz · · Colo-Rado Springs · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 5

My moment of Zen:

Hearing a kid from Boulder at Hueco yelling:

(Coach) I got Pumped Full of Semen!!!

Mark E Dixon · · Sprezzatura, Someday · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 579

Why hasn’t this thread been exiled to the community forum?

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,186
Chris Hatzai wrote:

And bitching about it on here changes so much. Go develop routes with better names i guess..

I wasn’t “bitching” about anything, I was pointing out how dumb your assertion that you should have to climb a route to judge its name is. Sure, if the route is named after a feature, not so much if it’s Porch Monkeys. But...it went over your head. Sad.

SinRopa · · parts unknown · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 30
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Franck Vee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 70
SinRopa wrote: This post violated a future Guideline and has been removed.

How can a futur guideline be violated?

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,186
SinRopa wrote: This post violated a future Guideline and has been removed.

So meta.

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 23,285
Franck Vee wrote:

How can a futur guideline be violated?

You just have to imagine one and post a self-censor.

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,186
Tony B wrote:

You just have to imagine one and post a self-censor.

Future crime!

Andy Eiter · · Madison, WI · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 25

To MojoMonkey:
I apologize if my response was a bit aggressive or not helpful. That is an interesting example, one I find tame; I am surprised he thought it was harmful enough to change. The line, to me, lies well beyond making fun of a public figure.

Franck Vee wrote:

Okay - I guess there's just a parallele universe in which there's an MP that is closer to the way I think lines should be drawn and another with yours.

But see - that's exactly where offense IS very difficult to judge.

(You're not gonna die either because you climb a route that's named China Man instead of Man from China! If that's going to be the yardstick...)

You see, Quebeckers (or French Canadians, though some find that term offensive as well!) have a long history of being an oppressed minority. Not genocide-level oppression (though mass deportation have happened during the period in which it was a British colony), but oppression nonetheless. Some in my parent's/grand-parents generation have been in worked places where the management  would be speaking only English, while most of the labour would be French speaking. Yet the workplaces would typically have English as their "official" language, because the powers that be were mostly English, not French. The "French Fact" in Canada was threatened to some degree, in a desire by some political forces at different points in history to eliminate the language from being a meaningful part of that country, since it would be so much more convenient to have to deal with only on language and since that would likely consolidate the political power on the French (or formerly French) population and region.

Given that background, there are label laws in Quebec which stipulate that instructions/warning/displays in commerce must be present in French and it must be displayed more proeminently than other languages (typically English). This, among other measures, were a reaction to that linguistic/cultural oppression and put in place to protect the language. Controversial, but there is some ground to it.

English names (like Second Cups etc...) are a logical extension of this. They are symbols - just like route names are symbols. People ARE offended by it.

I must admit, I have a hard time understand how you can square your stances in these 2 situation.

On the one hand, you accept that the power in place (MP admins) can and should take steps to remedy offenses reported by users based on reasonable situations (ethnicities/personal characteristics etc.).

On the other hand, you don't accept that power in place (Governement) can and should take steps to remedy offenses (by some French speakers in Quebec) based on historical context (French/English relations in the region). You're going to tell me the difference is that it's the governement - I don't think that's an acceptable difference. I'm feeling you have empathy for some types of offenses but not others. Of course, if you are a native english speaker, and english is arguably the dominant language today, that's understandable... but then that's also my point: offensivness is hard to judge...

Those two powers could almost not serve more vastly different purposes or be set to more vastly different standards. One is responsible for upholding society, and the other tells us which rocks are neat to climb on. The consequences of overreaching government regulation of speech could lead to fascism and millions of deaths; the consequences of overreaching regulation of speech on MP is that you might be unable to find a particular rock to climb on. If you don’t obey legal restrictions on speech, you can pay real physical/financial consequences. If you don’t obey MP’s restrictions on speech, you might not be able to use their service. There are readily-available alternative services to MP; alternative services to the US government are more difficult to access.


MP has the right to restrict content. I think MP can restrict content in a way that does more good than harm. I don’t think that MP restricting more content warrants fear of a slippery slope off which we won’t be able to self-rescue.

Eric · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 10
Floyd Eggers wrote:

 So even to you the "words dont matter".

"words dont matter!"

An actual post that appears 10 pages in on a contested thread about how much words matter.
Ryan Swanson · · Pepedidnothingwrong, freejg · Joined Jan 2018 · Points: 50
Chris Hatzai wrote: My next route at Smith is going to be named Chopsticks and Hand Grenades...

I'd donate hardware to this cause

Chris Hatzai · · Bend, OR · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 486
Ryan Swanson wrote:

I'd donate hardware to this cause

Ill be starting another gofundme for new route development pretty soon. You can totally donate to that fund when i start it! Lol the last one i posted on these forums went over well.........not. :P

Ryan Swanson · · Pepedidnothingwrong, freejg · Joined Jan 2018 · Points: 50
Chris Hatzai wrote:

Ill be starting another gofundme for new route development pretty soon. You can totally donate to that fund when i start it! Lol the last one i posted on these forums went over well.........not. :P

I've got a a box of 1/2x4.something SS powers bolts and hangars I would love to put towards a route that rustles jimmies.  There are some locations at Smith that look like there is potential, I just haven't made time to get out and scout harder.

Buff Johnson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2005 · Points: 1,145
This post violated the 8th dimension and has been removed.

------>   Remember, no matter where you go, there you are. So don't be mean.
Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 23,285
Deleted on principle alone
SinRopa · · parts unknown · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 30
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Chris Hatzai · · Bend, OR · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 486
Ryan Swanson wrote:

I've got a a box of 1/2x4.something SS powers bolts and hangars I would love to put towards a route that rustles jimmies.  There are some locations at Smith that look like there is potential, I just haven't made time to get out and scout harder.

That’s perfect.. same bolts i currently bolt with.. let me know, id totally take em off your hands.

Ryan Swanson · · Pepedidnothingwrong, freejg · Joined Jan 2018 · Points: 50
Chris Hatzai wrote:

That’s perfect.. same bolts i currently bolt with.. let me know, id totally take em off your hands.

This shit ain’t free. I want to help make people cringe too. 

Philip Straub · · The Valley · Joined Jun 2017 · Points: 0

Nobody who does not belong directly to a group of people, be it racial, social, condition based, etc, has any sort of right to decide whether a route name (or any other phrase) is offensive. So if you aren't directly affected by the name of a route (jokes aside, please...) why does it really matter to you? Sure, history, respecting the first ascensionists, whatever. Those reasons don't add up in importance to even come close to institutionalized bigotry.

So unless you have a true right to decide if something is offensive, why even bother? Just look to others who do. And no, talking to your 1 or 5 for whole crew of (insert race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, condition, etc. here) does not count. This shit is systemic, and goes far beyond route names, crags and the climbing community as a whole.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Ryan Swanson wrote:

This shit ain’t free. I want to help make people cringe too. 

Because why? Does it make you feel special? Or edgy? Or better than those tourons?

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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