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Are climbers racists?


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Mason Stone · · Island of misfit toys. · Joined Sep 2017 · Points: 0

The Devil's tower discussion got me thinking, do you, think climbers rise above or reflect the isms? Or, do you think climbers become more or less racist classist or sexist over time? Flame away.

Dylan Colon · · Eugene, OR · Joined Jun 2009 · Points: 351

Climbers are people, some of them are saintly, some shitty, most somewhere in between, just like anyone else.

cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175

Getting popcorn....

John Barritt · · OKC · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 1,065

000.3/10 on the trollmeter

Big B · · Sin City, NV · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 1

IDK bout climbers but most dogs are...

Amrutha Renganathan · · Atlanta, GA · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 35

I'm brown and most climbers are really nice to me. Some even hit on me. Some of them do ask me if I know their doctor or if I'm related to their one Indian friend but other than that- no not at all :)

Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,471

I was climbing with my buddy today and I looked away for a few minutes. The next thing you know, he's putting on black face. I mean, not a lot, but he had the makeup on his hands. Really dark black stuff. I said, "Who are you, Al Jolson?" He looks all puzzled and shit, then I point to his hands. "That's the aluminum oxide on your rope, man. That's not makeup."

Yeah, right.

Ryan Swanson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2018 · Points: 50

This lacks merit.

grog m aka Greg McKee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70
Ryan Swanson wrote: This lacks merit.

Absolutely. Where did you see racism in that thread Mason? Or are you just surprised and upset that people don't agree with you?

Racism is unacceptable and should never be tolerated on MP. 
jg fox · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 5
grog m aka Greg McKee wrote:


Racism and climbing wet sandstone is unacceptable and should never be tolerated on MP. 

Fixed.

cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
Mason Stone wrote: The Devil's tower discussion got me thinking, do you, think climbers rise above or reflect the isms? Or, do you think climbers become more or less racist classist or sexist over time? Flame away.

Link?

Tapawingo Markey · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 75
Old lady H wrote: 
People are people. We muddle along, mostly reasonably. Besides, "even", gasp, "racists" are capable of kindness.

...if you're the "right" color, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, etc. then yes. I'm sure David Duke has been kind but being kind doesn't mean that their racist beliefs should be tolerated.

Old lady H · · Boise, ID · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 556
Tapawingo Markey wrote:

...if you're the "right" color, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, etc. then yes. I'm sure David Duke has been kind but being kind doesn't mean that their racist beliefs should be tolerated.

Of course not. But. Once you dump someone into the "ist" that you proudly are not, then you have left no room for anything but "us" and "them". 

A great deal of "ism" is merely business as usual. People may never even have thought of it as a behavior that hurt someone else, until it was pointed out to them. When it's the overall culture, or even the law itself? It takes time to shift. A great deal of time, frustratingly, but people do change, including society in general and laws follow suit, eventually.

That said, this thread belongs in the community forum. Has zip to do with climbers particularly.

Best, OLH
Tomily ma · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 295

We certainly have color biases.  

  • Black totems 
  • Purple or grey C3s
  • Yellow mastercams
  • Pink tricams
You be the judge lest you be judged. 
Pnelson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 380

Not racist, but definitely first-world entitled and a bit clueless.

https://www.theprojectmagazine.com/features/2018/6/28/rocklands-talk-of-the-crag​​​

Tyler Metheney · · St Louis · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 2
John Barritt wrote: 000.3/10 on the trollmeter

Way too generous JB

Eric K · · Leavenworth, Washington · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 45
Mason Stone wrote: The Devil's tower discussion got me thinking, do you, think climbers rise above or reflect the isms? Or, do you think climbers become more or less racist classist or sexist over time? Flame away.

Do any of you remember RC.com? This is how it died.

TSluiter · · Holland, VT · Joined May 2013 · Points: 290
We certainly have color biases.  
  • Black totems 
  • Purple or grey C3s
  • Yellow mastercams
  • Pink tricams
How dare you forget the green people of the .75!

This isn't a serious question. Serious people should make jokes about this question and move on. Let's all be serious here.

Also: climbers are humans, usually.
Philip Straub · · The Valley · Joined Jun 2017 · Points: 0

Certainly not all but some. Same as for people. I'd say that most climbers I've interacted with, my own partners included, have a tendency to be a bit high and mighty about their liberal views or politics at the expense of participating in any actual activism or change efforts. This particular point depends if you find complacency racist when the issue is apparent and the paths to working against it are numerous. I would understand why someone would not find this racist, since it's not actively undermining other individuals or groups on a personal level. But in my opinion this sort of behavior does suggest some degree of racism, given the relative ease of access to change-related efforts for an overall pretty privileged population. Especially when you consider the fact that we have the time to climb stuff for fun.

I've certainly overheard some disgustingly racist talk at crags. That's not typical but it certainly exists.

This isn't to say that I'm a pillar or activism, and I think I could be doing a lot more. I'd be interested to hear what others are doing on this front. I know that I have my own engrained racism, sexism, classism, ablism etc. that I deal with regularly and I know I'm not alone on that one.

DanielHart · · Carpinteria ca · Joined Dec 2016 · Points: 5

It depends on who you ask. I find most people nowadays are intentionally easily offended. Pretty sure noticing a difference between races and gender will get you labeled in some crowds. 

ViperScale . · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2013 · Points: 240

I am foodist. I hate anyone who eats breakfast. You know how annoying it is to wake up at the campsite and walk around in circles for over an hour waiting for my lazy climbing partners to finish eating breakfast when I don't eat it and just want to go climb.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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