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Mike Byrnes · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 0
JRZane wrote:

actually, we had a mat AND a tarp. and an ikea bag with the rope flaked in it. almost 3" had fallen in the days prior and everywhere had a few INCHES of mud.  most of the mud on the rope came from pulling the rope after cleaning it. wed watch and try to play defense to knock the rope onto the mat/tarp but nothing helped.  Thanks for the advice tho.


As far as Miguels, I was still virgin to RRG and heard from others how "cool" of a place it is to hang out.  I realize I live in the Pizza Belt and can't expect good pizza in Kentucky, but pretty much everything about the place was a disappointment (except for the history and their contribution to climbing in the area.)

Hey JRZane, as the shop employee that was part of “the peanut gallery” that day, I apologize if you had a less than pleasurable shopping experience in our gear shop. The climbers in the shop that day were some long term locals with a combined 35+ years of climbing experience in the Red, and were doing nothing except trying to help with their mild heckeling. We do not stock 60m ropes for a fairly specific reason; people do not buy them, people do not want them. You were the first person to specifically come in wanting a 60m in months, and the only person to complain about it once explained the merits to climbing on a longer rope in a sport climbing area. What is there even to complain about considering the fact that we have a great selection of 70m cords for under $180 and 80m for under $200. Perhaps if you find your rope mysteriously falling in puddles due to no fault of your own you should be looking for a nice dry treatment and a burly rope bag instead of a cheap beater and an ikea bag. #70isthenew60 #yourprojismywarmup 

don'tchuffonme · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 25
Mike Byrnes wrote:

Hey JRZane, as the shop employee that was part of “the peanut gallery” that day, I apologize if you had a less than pleasurable shopping experience in our gear shop. The climbers in the shop that day were some long term locals with a combined 35+ years of climbing experience in the Red, and were doing nothing except trying to help with their mild heckeling. We do not stock 60m ropes for a fairly specific reason; people do not buy them, people do not want them. You were the first person to specifically come in wanting a 60m in months, and the only person to complain about it once explained the merits to climbing on a longer rope in a sport climbing area.

You should have stopped there.  Even if JRZane is wrong, you look like a dumbass by giving merit to his original gripe by being passive aggressive.  Hmmm, maybe the Red is full of elitist spraylords.  Who knew?

Ocalslay Onlyyay · · Not That Into Climbing · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 1,160
Franck Vee wrote: where so much stuff is done for free by so many random people, just because they really enjoy it,

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Ocalslay Onlyyay · · Not That Into Climbing · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 1,160
Mike Byrnes wrote:

Hey JRZane, as the shop employee that was part of “the peanut gallery” that day, I apologize if you had a less than pleasurable shopping experience in our gear shop. The climbers in the shop that day were some long term locals with a combined 35+ years of climbing experience in the Red, and were doing nothing except trying to help with their mild heckeling. We do not stock 60m ropes for a fairly specific reason; people do not buy them, people do not want them. You were the first person to specifically come in wanting a 60m in months, and the only person to complain about it once explained the merits to climbing on a longer rope in a sport climbing area. What is there even to complain about considering the fact that we have a great selection of 70m cords for under $180 and 80m for under $200. Perhaps if you find your rope mysteriously falling in puddles due to no fault of your own you should be looking for a nice dry treatment and a burly rope bag instead of a cheap beater and an ikea bag. #70isthenew60 #yourprojismywarmup 

Hohmannn you just got Mike Byrnes'd right in the A!

Franck Vee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 70
Locals Only wrote:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

I mean climbing, of course.

Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,759

The issue is the venues you have chosen to climb... 

Kris Fiore · · Burlington, VT · Joined Sep 2014 · Points: 1,796
Morgan Patterson wrote: The issue is the venues you have chosen to climb... 

Yeah, I feel like this has some truth to it. Sometimes the better the climbing venue the more obnoxious the climbers.

Of course, the exception obviously would be Vermont. We're all super friendly and somehow the climbing is pristine and clean with reliable warm sunny days 9 months out of the year.

Josh Lipko · · Charlotte · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 10

Your biggest mistake was being closer to New River Gorge and choosing to go to the Red anyway.

Noah Chafin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2017 · Points: 0
JRZane wrote:

actually, we had a mat AND a tarp. and an ikea bag with the rope flaked in it. almost 3" had fallen in the days prior and everywhere had a few INCHES of mud.  most of the mud on the rope came from pulling the rope after cleaning it. wed watch and try to play defense to knock the rope onto the mat/tarp but nothing helped.  Thanks for the advice tho.


As far as Miguels, I was still virgin to RRG and heard from others how "cool" of a place it is to hang out.  I realize I live in the Pizza Belt and can't expect good pizza in Kentucky, but pretty much everything about the place was a disappointment (except for the history and their contribution to climbing in the area.)

Yo a pro tip would be to pull your tarps directly under the fall zone of the route to prevent the rope from going off into the mud. This will help prevent the un-wanted muddy rope! Sucks you had a bad experience but from the sounds of it you didn’t come to the Red a ray of sunshine yourself and if you experienced negativity it was only because of the negativity you were releasing in the atmosphere. Stay positive and love every moment :) 

JRZane · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 90
Mike Byrnes wrote:

 #yourprojismywarmup 

yeah, i see that via all your recent 5.7 ticks.


thank you for the clearest possible illustration of all three of my points in one single post.
DrRockso · · Red River Gorge, KY · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 341

sar·casm /noun

  1. the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
im·per·cep·tive /adjective

  1. lacking in perception or insight.
Shawn Fettig · · America · Joined May 2015 · Points: 0

Think theirs a lot of D bags in this sport try surfing.

Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,476
Alicia Sokolowski wrote:

It was my first time at the Red, and I totally loved it.  Anyone thinking of visiting, don't let this thread deter you.

I had a great visit in 2006 as well. I'm not sure if we ate at Miguel's, but we car camped right out on the lawn next to them.

It's that Gunks place you have to look out for. Lots of old weirdos with pipes, crazy women, and...wait. Just looking at some old photos. Oh, that was us. 

ETA: and there were no didgeridoos.

Brilliant!
Alicia Sokolowski · · Brooklyn, NY · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 1,080
Tim Stich wrote: I had a great visit in 2006 as well. I'm not sure if we ate at Miguel's, but we car camped right out on the lawn next to them.

It's that Gunks place you have to look out for. Lots of old weirdos with pipes, crazy women, and...wait. Just looking at some old photos. Oh, that was us.

Brilliant!

The Gunks (and I) still miss you, buddy!  Please drop me a line if you end up coming back out east!!!!!!!!!

Russ Keane · · Asheville, NC · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 150

"John Bachar used to hide in the bushes near Midnight Lightning, waiting for unsuspecting noobs to flail on it. After a bit their flopping he'd pop up out of nowhere, blast a send and just walk away."

Wait, what?   Are you sure?   Never knew he was a loser like that.   This story sounds bogus.  

Warrior · · Rock City, GA · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 310
Russ Keane wrote: "John Bachar used to hide in the bushes near Midnight Lightning, waiting for unsuspecting noobs to flail on it. After a bit their flopping he'd pop up out of nowhere, blast a send and just walk away."

Wait, what?   Are you sure?   Never knew he was a loser like that.   This story sounds bogus.  

Just quintessential sandbag JB...jmo.  That story was out of a Gullich book, who details a few other good ones iirc.


"Le Blond".  RIP
reboot · · . · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 125
Warrior wrote:

Just quintessential sandbag JB...jmo.  That story was out of a Gullich book, who details a few other good ones iirc.


"Le Blond".  RIP

I thought "Le Blond" was the nickname of Patrick Edlinger. RIP either way... 

Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,476
Alicia Sokolowski wrote:

The Gunks (and I) still miss you, buddy!  Please drop me a line if you end up coming back out east!!!!!!!!!

Miss you, too. Let me know if you ever visit Colorado of course!

Warrior · · Rock City, GA · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 310
reboot wrote:

I thought "Le Blond" was the nickname of Patrick Edlinger. RIP either way... 

They both were from my spotty memory and depending on who you were talking to, but it's been a long time...Le Blond was Bachar and Le Brun was Kauk iirc...this was well before Punchline etc of course...



As for the topic,  Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded...
Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,759
Kris Fiore wrote:

Yeah, I feel like this has some truth to it. Sometimes the better the climbing venue the more obnoxious the climbers.

Of course, the exception obviously would be Vermont. We're all super friendly and somehow the climbing is pristine and clean with reliable warm sunny days 9 months out of the year.

Hmmmm... I'm not sure I've seen the sun since I moved up in Feb! Really stoked to get out once my fractured collar bone is healed up and I'm cleared to be active again...

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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