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Helmet on Epinephrine?


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Adam Hammershoi · · Long Island, New York · Joined Aug 2016 · Points: 185

I'm flying out to Vegas on soon and getting on Epinephrine. I don't really want to pack my helmet because it takes up too much space. However, I have yet to see a photo/video of someone not wearing a helmet on this climb. What's your take on this?

Bill Lawry · · New Mexico · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 1,551

A fall while leading in the chimneys could result in one ricocheting around a bit.  Wear a helmet.  :)

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 11,325

Adam Hammershoi wrote:

I'm flying out to Vegas on soon and getting on Epinephrine. I don't really want to pack my helmet because it takes up too much space. However, I have yet to see a photo/video of someone not wearing a helmet on this climb. What's your take on this?

Helmets seem to be the topic du jour. I climbed Epi sans helmet and I didn't die, therefore you do not need a helmet and it is in fact wasted space in your luggage.

DavisMeschke Guillotine · · Pinedale, WY · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 215

Am I the only one that thinks it’s odd to ask the general public to help them answer a quite easy personal question?

Wear one if you want, don’t wear one if you want. Does it really take public consensus to come to one of the above answers?

Carl Schaefer · · Boulder, CO · Joined Sep 2014 · Points: 286

Tradiban wrote:

Helmets seem to be the topic du jour. I climbed Epi sans helmet and I didn't die, therefore you do not need a helmet and it is in fact wasted space in your luggage.

yes, following this reasoning you can leave your ropes at home too

Adam Hammershoi · · Long Island, New York · Joined Aug 2016 · Points: 185

DavisMeschke Guillotine wrote:

Am I the only one that thinks it’s odd to ask the general public to help them answer a quite easy personal question?

Wear one if you want, don’t wear one if you want. Does it really take public consensus to come to one of the above answers?

I was only asking for a reason why I there are no photos without helmets. Rock fall, people dropping things, etc. falling in a chimney was a good reason. 

DayMartin · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 0

I’m really glad you asked this question. After personally experiencing rockfall on this very route, I recommend you definitely don’t wear a helmet on route. In fact, a helmet is utterly useless in climbing, and as you brought up regarding incredibly valuable packing space, save some more space and leave the #3s and #4 at home too. 

Benjamin Chapman · · Small Town, USA · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 13,412

Trying to save space...while putting your brain at risk. Ever hear of Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) or Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE)? If you feel like gambling...go to The Strip. Put a lid on.

TKrosbakken · · Duluth, MN · Joined Nov 2008 · Points: 280

Almost guarantee there's gonna be people climbing right above you. Even a biner to the noggin wouldnt feel great. 

Also I saw so much shit at the bottom of the chimney, including a gear loop...I'm assuming other stuff came down with that. 

Todd F · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 0

Carl Schaefer wrote:

yes, following this reasoning you can leave your ropes at home too

Hereafter known as the Honnold corrollary to the traditional rules of clean aid and routes going free.

Hierarchy:

Once a route goes on clean aid, no one should ever hammer on it

Once a route goes free, no one should ever aid it

Once it has been free solo'ed, no one should climb it with a rope


OP, wear a helmet - especially if you have to ask. It isn't just about you. If you get hurt you are putting your partner at risk as well as potentially asking SAR or other parties to put themselves at risk as well to bail you out. There are times when your personal judgement and assessment of risk are all about you and your decision only affects you. I'm an advocate for helmets, in part, because climbing is rarely one of them.

Ben Williams · · van · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 30

Just clip it to the outside of your carry on. I think it's more likely you'd regret not wearing one than wearing one...

T Roper · · the gym · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 865

Ben Williams wrote:

Just clip it to the outside of your carry on. I think it's more likely you'd regret not wearing one than wearing one...

hell just wear it on the plane, surely the plane ride will be safer that way.

John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,530

Epi is a busy route- it's likely that you either won't be first on or you could get passed, which means you'll be at risk of being hit from above by something.

I'd advise bringing the brain bucket unless you're really, really fast and get up really, really early.

Barry M · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2017 · Points: 0

Brain bucket takes up to much space?!? I mean you can pack stuff inside said brain bucket to help it not be so space consuming. Who just sets theirs in their bag leaving the head protecting area empty space. 


Jack Lange · · Minneapolis, MN · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 80

the party ahead of me dropped a #3 on me, I was glad to have the helmet. Those chimneys funnel any the falling debris right at you.

Robert Michael · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2014 · Points: 156

1/10

Tylerpratt · · Litchfield, Connecticut · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 35

Adam Hammershoi wrote:

I was only asking for a reason why I there are no photos without helmets. Rock fall, people dropping things, etc. falling in a chimney was a good reason. 

YA! If your in the chimeny with a party above you in the chimney and they drop something you better fucking pray you have a helmet on. 

Allen Sanderson · · Oootah · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 1,145

When visiting to Vegas it is always best to bring a prophylactic for both the big and little head. 

Big B · · Sin City, NV · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 0

Robert Michael wrote:

1/10

that's what I'm thinking

btw...honnold just solo'ed this route in 0:39 min!

King Tut · · Citrus Heights · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 430

Hey guys, gonna be climbing at Vegas and wondered if you tip the strippers or not and which casino has the best buffet and loose slots (not counting Tradiban)?

Thx.


ps. Inb4 the same regular 10 poasters give the OP the same tips rephrased in 30 or so posts.


1. Its a personal decision.

2. Provide some complicated formula calculating risk v benefit coupled with the probability of an asteroid hitting Epi v. the rate of UV degradation of the poly-carbonate shell at 4000'.

3. Ask if the helmet will fit in the overhead and could it be carried by an African Swallow? O wait that's a coconut.

4. Do Flight Attendants really hate all their passengers?

5. Profess that back in the day Epi was done by a Burro in hobnailed boots. Hrumpf™.

6. Recommend painting bullseye on top of Helmet.

7. Comment on how the salty nut snacks just aren't filling anymore. 

8. Tell everyone about that time you almost had an epic on the route and had surprise butt smexy with the convenient horn on pitch 6.

9. Spray about linking all the pitches with a 1000m rope getting ready for Cathedral Peak IAD record.

10. Ask wut is helmut?

 


Tylerpratt · · Litchfield, Connecticut · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 35

King Tut wrote:

Hey guys, gonna be climbing at Vegas and wondered if you tip the strippers or not and which casino has the best buffet and loose slots (not counting Tradiban).

Thx.

Yo, Vegas is actually a little strange. The strippers are just moving around in front of you because they want you to grab the money out of their thong you see its a game of keep away. So when youre there make sure you grab that cash!

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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