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cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180

I haven't bought anything from REI in at least three years. It looks like my decision continues to be sound. 

Jon W · · Longmont Colorado · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 75

NRA = National Russia Association. https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/590076949/depth-of-russian-politicians-cultivation-of-nra-ties-revealed

It's amusing how all those "RED BLOODED, GUN TOTING, FLAG WAIVING, PATRIOTIC MERICANS"  are inadvertently alligned with Russia's interest in our country.

hehehe

Thanks for the heads up. I'll buy something from REI today.

J.C.P. · · Lakewood, CO · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 0

Just dumb. I’d always been ambivalent toward REI, had no problem shopping there and been a member since it first started. But this kind of PR stunt, really turns me off. Camelbak makes great products, also supplies the US military, why punish customers for a PR move. So I wonder if REI’s 401k program was reviewed for any investment vehicles that may include holdings in say Lockheed Martin or other military contractors or Pharmaceutical companies - given that such companies manufacture products that kill people with greater frequency than guns. Was actually planning to swing by REI today, in fact, to buy a new harness for my son, came across this and that sale will be going elsewhere. 

K. Le Douche · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2008 · Points: 100

Gonna have to get the Camelbaks at Cabela's from now on.  Oh well.  Too bad to see REI wade into the murky waters of politics...

Dankasaurus · · Lyons, CO · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 85
Jon W wrote:

NRA = National Russia Association.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/590076949/depth-of-russian-politicians-cultivation-of-nra-ties-revealed

It's amusing how all those "RED BLOODED, GUN TOTING, FLAG WAIVING, PATRIOTIC MERICANS"  are inadvertently alligned with Russia's interest in our country.

hehehe

Thanks for the heads up. I'll buy something from REI today.

Your source is quite biased. Do you have a cross reference that isn't also biased hard left anti-gun and anti-Trump?  Using NPR as your only source, and being so confident about it, isn't convincing at all. 



Jon W · · Longmont Colorado · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 75

Dankasaurus wrote:

Your source is quite biased. Do you have a cross reference that isn't also biased hard left anti-gun and anti-Trump?  Using NPR as your only source, and being so confident about it, isn't convincing at all. 

And, how many times have you quoted FOX news or Breitbart or some other rightwing propaganda sight as an only source?

There is so much evidence that the Russians interfered in this election and are going to interfere in the mid terms.

And, it is extremely ironic that the Russians supported the republicans, That implies that the republicans are more aligned with the greatest adversary of the Unites States than the democrats are.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-russia-ties-scrutiny-alexander-torshin-butina-trump-2018-3

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senator-nras-ties-russia-remain-concerned/story?id=53538416

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-russia-nra-donald-trump-campaign-election-investigation-mueller-banker-money-a8225581.html

http://theweek.com/articles/757832/something-stinks-about-nras-russia-story

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-07/the-nra-should-disclose-any-russian-ties

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-trump-russia-nra-connection-heres-what-you-need-to-know-w515615

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/16/nra-russia-election-donations-fec-investigation-468661

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/trump-nra-fbi-alexander-torshin-russia-investigation


You'll believe what you want to believe. That doesn't make you correct. And before you try to turn that back on me, there isn't anything our there the proves that the NRA didn't receive money from Russian interest.

Also, it is abhorrent for anyone to attack the victims of these shootings (which is what is going on and what the thread topic is really about). All they want is a safe place to go to school. And they should have that. That should not mean having guns everywhere. If you need to carry a gun for safety, you're in the wrong place. Schools should not be a wrong place.

Because when I hear this moron speak, I hear the NRA speak: https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-board-member-ted-nugent-135513227.html 

He IS YOUR voice.



Dankasaurus · · Lyons, CO · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 85
Jon W wrote:

And, how many times have you quoted FOX news or Breitbart or some other rightwing propaganda sight as an only source?

There is so much evidence that the Russians interfered in this election and are going to interfere in the mid terms.

And, it is extremely ironic that the Russians supported the republicans, That implies that the republicans are more aligned with the greatest adversary of the Unites States than the democrats are.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-russia-ties-scrutiny-alexander-torshin-butina-trump-2018-3

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senator-nras-ties-russia-remain-concerned/story?id=53538416

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-russia-nra-donald-trump-campaign-election-investigation-mueller-banker-money-a8225581.html

http://theweek.com/articles/757832/something-stinks-about-nras-russia-story

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-07/the-nra-should-disclose-any-russian-ties

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-trump-russia-nra-connection-heres-what-you-need-to-know-w515615

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/16/nra-russia-election-donations-fec-investigation-468661

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/trump-nra-fbi-alexander-torshin-russia-investigation


You'll believe what you want to believe. That doesn't make you correct. And before you try to turn that back on me, there isn't anything our there the proves that the NRA didn't receive money from Russian interest.

Also, it is abhorrent for anyone to attack the victims of these shootings (which is what is going on and what the thread topic is really about). All they want is a safe place to go to school. And they should have that. That should not mean having guns everywhere. If you need to carry a gun for safety, you're in the wrong place. Schools should not be a wrong place.

Because when I hear this moron speak, I hear the NRA speak: https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-board-member-ted-nugent-135513227.html 

He IS YOUR voice.



As far as you know, I've never quoted strictly Fox News or Breitbart as my only sources for opinions.

As far as you know, "he" may or may not be my voice.

As far as you know, I could believe anything.

I was just asking for you to second source your NPR-based assertion.  You don't know anything about me except that I expressed some doubt about your internet post.  Then, after ranting about me, whom you don't know, you get on your soapbox (again) to talk about your opinions about guns, schools, and mass shootings.  An orthogonal subject to Russian state sponsored election shenanigans.  

Anyways, thanks for all the links.  80% of them are still pretty hard left biased, but thanks anyways. 



Jeremy Almond · · Las Vegas · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 1,601
  1. It's funny, you think news channels are a good source. Do you believe everything on the internet? Honestly it's refreshing to see so many people see REI's stance as a stupid move. I bet you own a piece of gear that has some tie to guns. What about school stabbings? School bullying? Are those part of "safe spaces"?
Jon W · · Longmont Colorado · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 75

When you claim NPR is extreme left, I call BS. That is a FOX News talking point. If the truth does not fit your paradigm, that does not make it fake news.

Don't tell us all that you believed in "pizza gate" or think that George Soros is trying to take over the world, or the FBI is really behind these shootings in order to take your guns, or Hillary had Seth Rich murdered (all from Right wing news and all false....(rhetorical...I'm not suggesting you personally, but generally to those that do). How can one follow and quote these kinds of news sources and still claim NPR as fake/bias?

Back on track....

Here are some numbers to consider https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

The reason that the NRA is taking heat, is because of "Victim Shaming" the victims of these shootings.

"Young people speaking their minds, getting so much resistance from behind" --Buffalo Springfield

Hopefully the sun shines and we can all climb outside today.

Done

Dankasaurus · · Lyons, CO · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 85
Jon W wrote:

When you claim NPR is extreme left, I call BS. That is a FOX News talking point. If the truth does not fit your paradigm, that does not make it fake news.

Don't tell us all that you believed in "pizza gate" or think that George Soros is trying to take over the world, or the FBI is really behind these shootings in order to take your guns, or Hillary had Seth Rich murdered (all from Right wing news and all false....(rhetorical...I'm not suggesting you personally, but generally to those that do). How can one follow and quote these kinds of news sources and still claim NPR as fake/bias?

Back on track....

Here are some numbers to consider https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

The reason that the NRA is taking heat, is because of "Victim Shaming" the victims of these shootings.

"Young people speaking their minds, getting so much resistance from behind" --Buffalo Springfield

Hopefully the sun shines and we can all climb outside today.

Done

In my opinion, NPR is clearly biased to the Left of center.  Economist. The Guardian.  NYT.  WaPo, CNN, Reuters...the list goes on.  All are center-left.  Not extreme left, mostly, but political-economic center left.  Your bias leads you to believe that what the center-left media you consume is pure reason and truth.  I'm happy that you can be so sure of yourself!  You appear to like to tell people what's what.  But, your truth ain't THE truth.  Maybe someday you'll accept that, tiger.



20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346
Dankasaurus wrote:

In my opinion, NPR is clearly biased to the Left of center.  



They look pretty centered to me.




https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28
Nathan Doyle · · Sierra Foothills · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 26
20 kN wrote:

They look pretty centered to me.




https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28

Phew...that chart doesn't include Rock and Ice or even Climbing, for that matter.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275

Way to stir the pot, cragman!

richard azierski · · Hoboken · Joined Dec 2017 · Points: 0

lol NPR is not "hard left"

That chart is amazing.... Jacobin, a liberal mag to the right of Mother Jones, incredible. 

David Kutassy · · Charlottesville, VA · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 5

Just buy Osprey packs. Way better than Camel Bak anyway!

Dankasaurus · · Lyons, CO · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 85

That whole chart is skewed and/or has the wrong shape.  Where's the data to back up that and who's to say it's a "normal" distribution?  The distribution of climbers is certainly not a classic "normal" distribution in terms of their leanings:  The center of mass is HARD environmental left.  With little blips out there in Libertarian and Gun Rights.

NPR is Left of Center.  Significantly.  Nothing anyone has shown or said refutes that even a little bit.  That someone might believe otherwise implies their own center is hard left, which is understandable.  

And I'd like to hear a single other conservative voice on this thread.  Doubt I will though.  

PS - "Rich A", Try to write in complete sentences when you share your opinions, instead of writing in the manner of a millennial on a phone (read: lazy).

richard azierski · · Hoboken · Joined Dec 2017 · Points: 0

Hilarious to be chided for writing like a millennial by "Dankasaurus."

Dankasaurus · · Lyons, CO · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 85

Dankasaurus is obviously tongue-in-cheek.  It's an ironic pseudonym.  Do I need to explain to you why it's ironic or can you figure that your for yourself?   

Your use of "Lol" on the other hand is not ironic, not self-aware and instead it's just lazy and ugly.  And your punctuation still sucks, Rich.  May I call you Rich?   Practice makes perfect, Rich.

richard azierski · · Hoboken · Joined Dec 2017 · Points: 0

congrats on being an insufferable internet forum pedant old man ttyl 

Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180
Dankasaurus wrote: 

And I'd like to hear a single other conservative voice on this thread.  Doubt I will though.  

I'm not sure what you're expecting to hear? In years past members here condemned REI for its free market practices that drove small businesses out of business. Now they're celebrating REI's use of the free market to decide who it will associate with. The same people don't even recognize the irony of celebrating freedom of association when it supports their cause but screeching discrimination when it doesn't. What's the point in even have the conversation with them when it's plainly obvious no logic went into their position from the start? Like most of what the left does, this is just more emotionally charged vacillation from issue to issue void of any intellect what so ever.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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