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Reece E · · Bozeman · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 0

I just got these cams.  They are identical to metolius master cams in every way except they don't have any color but black.  I searched google and found no info.  Was hoping someone here might know what the deal with these things is.


Joe Prescott · · Berlin, DE · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 6

Military issue/surplus. 

Conor Mark · · Asheville, NC · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 670

Doesn't Metolious supply military outfits with climbing gear? Maybe cams from a more "tactical" line that lack the color coding. 

Alec Woolley · · Allenstown · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 92

My guess is they are made for military climbing units.  A lot of gear manufactures make military specific versions of their products, either all blacked out or whited out to help eliminate how flashy it is.  

bkozak · · Sterling, VA · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 70

http://soldiersystems.net/tag/metolius/

I think they're for military applications.

Ian Machen · · Carson City, NV · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 35

I'm a former instructor at the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center. Issued trad gear is Metolius Master Cams, colored black.


Bill Czajkowski · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 30

Black, except for the shiny metal parts. That’s got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen.

Ian Machen · · Carson City, NV · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 35

Bill, baby steps. Making powder coated, non-reflective cam is probably pretty hard. Either deal with a little shine (some of which gets taped up to reduce rattle), or use all passive pro. 

Joe Prescott · · Berlin, DE · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 6
Bill Czajkowski wrote:

Black, except for the shiny metal parts. That’s got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen.

Yes. Military. 

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0

I’m curious what they cost if they were military surplus? And where’d you get them? 

Reece E · · Bozeman · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 0
mediocre wrote:

I’m curious what they cost if they were military surplus? And where’d you get them? 

I got them off eBay for ~$30 each.  It was such a sweet deal I didn't really mind about the color

diepj · · PDX · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 0

This kinda seems crazy. The colors serve a purpose and help you easily pick the right size. I can see maybe a more subdued palette, but all plain black?

On the other hand is the military out there lead climbing or just rigging random things up. If the latter it's probably less of a big deal. 

Khoi · · Vancouver, BC · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 45

DMM also does their cams in all black for the military.

I don't recall ever seeing all black/tactical for Black Diamond cams or Trango cams or Wild Country cams....

Dr Strangelove · · Bend, OR · Joined Oct 2017 · Points: 30

What use does the military have for cams? 

Jack C. · · Calgary, AB · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 325
Sam Miller wrote:

What use does the military have for cams? 

I'd guess either for climbing or for rappelling.  It is fully possible I am way off the mark.

that guy named seb · · Britland · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 205
Sam Miller wrote:

What use does the military have for cams? 

Idk about in the US but in the UK you have technically not special forces but special forces group called mountain leaders they specialise in mountain/ Arctic warfare and anything particularly steep, part of the Royal marines. 

Ian Machen · · Carson City, NV · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 35
Sam Miller wrote:

What use does the military have for cams? 

Well, think of an area with cliffs or vertical surfaces. That's an area that may be more lightly defended due to it being seen as less trafficable. Some military members are trained to surmount these obstacles. Some of the training that I in participated in, and taught, include cliff assault, lead climbing, mountaineering, and steep earth techniques. Most times areas that are going to be defended aren't going to be on a nice flat piece of dirt. In the class that I was an instructor at, we took people from having zero climbing experience to lead climbing multi-pitch 5.8s in six weeks. This course also covered snow climbing, mountaineering, and crevasse rescue.

I went on an instructor exchange with the Chilean Mountain Warfare school in Los Andes and Portillo, Chile. If you look at the terrain in those types of mountainous areas, you can see why it would be needed. Most of the countries of interest to the USA include areas with large vertical relief, cold weather, compartmentalized terrain, and snow. 

eli poss · · Durango, Co · Joined May 2014 · Points: 484

Mount Yonah, a climbing area in Georgia, was first used by the military for training climbing. Later on climbers started climbing there but before then it had bolt ladders for the military. 

Conor Mark · · Asheville, NC · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 670
eli poss wrote:

Mount Yonah, a climbing area in Georgia, was first used by the military for training climbing. Later on climbers started climbing there but before then it had bolt ladders for the military. 

Table Rock, NC as well

SeƱor Arroz · · LA, CA · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10
Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,476

My friends got me some cams online. I sure hope they go with my tactical gear.

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