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Requesting "Ladies Crag" forum

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amarius · · Nowhere, OK · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 20

Inspired by the thread - "How do female MP users feel about these photos?" in the "Community Forum".

Hopefully, administered by women.

Random snippet:

...Always wondered if women found The Ladies Room to be useful there.

...I thought it was great. I could go to the community for dick jokes/shennanigans, and the Ladie's forum for actual real talk. There were several instances where users who would not post elsewhere in the forum would speak up in the ladies room.

Seems like a quick and easy thing the overlords here could add (and I nominate WW to moderate ;) ) FFS, if those pesky boulderers get their own forum, why can't we?

La MoMoFace · · Arvada, CO · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 60

I dig it. 

Tim Lutz · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 5

(grabs popcorn)

SinRopa · · parts unknown · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 30
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wonderwoman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 84

I'm in.

Fehim Hasecic · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 85

Shelma Jun should be admin on “Ladies Crag”

Mel C · · Boston, MA · Joined Jun 2016 · Points: 10

Yes this should happen! I would definitely use it.

Ted Pinson · · Chicago, IL · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 190

ValerieT · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 0

Definitely would like it.... since overall Mountain Project isn't inclusive. 

Or create a barbarian male stream and let there be a co-ed one that's free of harassment and mansplaining. 

ValerieT · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 0

....The fact that someone says it would be for sock sizing just goes to show why women want a place so they can actually discuss climbing versus dealing with the condescending men. 

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Ted Pinson wrote:

Why? The forums are already incredibly stratified - what's wrong with one more? Especially when the members most directly impacted are requesting it? When there are versions of the same on other forums, most notably the rock climbing forum that originally had far more users than MP?

Ted Pinson · · Chicago, IL · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 190

I’m just picturing the trolling that will take place if there’s not some way of actually regulating who posts in there.  And flabbergasted that it’s come to this.

W Ham · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 0

The segregation and dissociation of knowledge on a forum intended on sharing knowledge and experience seems counterproductive.

I agree that women should have a place where they feel comfortable sharing online but this band aid fix for something that should be a larger conversation about rules, behavior, and contributor expectations in this community is ineffective and doesn't promote user growth. 

I have been active on other websites that enacted a similar "solution" and the result was the same in each instance; the ladies forum did become a place where women were comfortable posting, but the knowledge and experience available to them was atrophied and the website was no longer a resource for the users who were a part of the women specific forum.

We should, instead of creating a women's only forum, set clear guidelines for users behavior and have a system where users can provide feedback on other users within the community and administrators can ban, restrict, or monitor users who cause issues or do not abide by the behavioral guidelines.

MojoMonkey · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2009 · Points: 68

If this is implemented, I'd suggest consideration of how its contents are displayed. I only browse the forums via the Latest Forum Posts view and rarely look at what sub-forum it comes from so might not notice that I went to a "Ladies Crag" topic. The counterpart that inspired this suggestion had the topics listed in blue instead of black as a visual indicator in their recent posts list. Maybe a toggle to turn them off like "For Sale / Wanted". Defaulted to off? Or default based on indicated gender in profile if provided? Or just excluded from the latest list and only shown if you specifically go to the sub forum?

That last option might be a pain to those looking to use the forum but prefer to browse via "latest".

cyclestupor · · Woodland Park, Colorado · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 93

This is a genuine question, not an argument against it...

What kinds of discussion would such a forum be used for?  Would it just be general conversation about anything under the sun, or would it be more like a sheltered place where woman can go to solicit and give advice to other woman about climbing practices (advice from men would obviously be unwelcome).  If it is the latter, I've got to say, I would probably find myself browsing through that forum fairly often.  The reason is simply that I'm sure there would be lots of useful advice in such a forum that I wouldn't want to miss out on.

Given that fact, If I (being male) were to ask a question in response to something in that forum would my presence be offensive?

Again this is not an argument.  I understand the importance of segregated spaces, and if i saw a group of woman chatting among themselves or climbing together, i'm not the kind of guy that would butt in.  But I tend to view MP and it's forums as a collaborative information resource, much like Wikipedia.  If useful information gets segregated according to the sex of the originator, it would seem to be an obstruction to the flow of that information.

On the other hand maybe there are lots of woman out there that would be more likely to post useful information if they thought that they were exclusively communicating with other woman.  Is this the case?  Would any of the ladies reading this post be more likely to provide climbing advice in a segregated forum?

Aleks Zebastian · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175

climbing friend,

what about those trolling troll who pretend to be a woman in order online to make entrance into the forumz? There is no way you may certify your gender of which type of human you would be existing as through tubes of internet no?

also guise it is fine if the womenz want to form secret society, this is your america you do what you want (except provide affordable health insurance, reduce income inequality, reduce sexism racism homophobia xenophobia and so on, coexist peacefully, not constantly suborn mass shootings, not letting the corporationz write your law, etc.) do not be threatened if the womenz would like to hold secret meetings. it shows us all how unmanly and insecure you are

Nate Ball · · Portland, OR · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 9,000

So far, only males have disagreed and/or posted derogatory comments. Not that some female might not come along and do just that. It's just really hard, as a long-time user and admin, to see someone suggest an idea, have it supported by people who would be included in that group express why it's necessary, just to have people outside that group (the vocal and statistical majority) tell them why it's not. Maybe it's hard to wrap your brain around why I created that thread in the first place, but if examples of its necessity keep slapping you in the face, it might be easier for your cognizance to just accept that the reason is real.

Everett · · Chicago, IL · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 10

I support both more aggressive moderation and a Ladies Room. Given that I saw blowback from the freaking site icon, I doubt the latter will be received well -- but it'd be easier to implement.

Adrienne DiRosario · · Troy, NY · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 0

As a woman I do not wish to be part of a "ladies only" forum. Others see the need for one and that's fine. Speaking only for myself I prefer to interact with the larger community. I'm part of a couple female climbing FB pages and prefer the conversations here. 

La MoMoFace · · Arvada, CO · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 60
cyclestupor wrote:

This is a genuine question, not an argument against it...

Totally fair question. Here's a screen shot of the now defunct knob forum:

And then for me, personally, I have a month long backcountry trip next summer and I want to hear input on diva cups vs other brands vs thinx vs chemical menstrual treatment and how they all work on a wall, surrounded by dudes (I'm the only chick on the team).  I really don't feel like posting that question in the general forum here, and the thread on menstrual cups is form 2013 and there have been a zillion new brands since then. But I would feel comfortable posting it in a women's forum.

Edited to add - genuine advice from the wangs was not unwelcome. Lots of 'My wife did...she uses...' etc.

wonderwoman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 84
cyclestupor wrote:

This is a genuine question, not an argument against it...

What kinds of discussion would such a forum be used for?  

Here is a sample of topics from now-defunct

womens climbing days 

Maternity harness recommendations

Pregnant Climber

Any "old" ladies out there?

Recommendations for an ultra light rain jacket?

Makeshift pregnancy harness 

Ice climbing belay jackets 

Best place to boulder with a baby 

I'm here for my 5 year old, where do I start?

shorts for climbing 

Best way to find climbing partner? 

Are There Gender Differences in Risk Tolerance?

Do you have a climbing mentor?

climbing moms video 

Any Menstural cup users?

Climbing in just a sports bra? 

Any younger (teenage) female climbers in here?

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