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Metolius #000 discontinued?


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Gordy Schafer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 35

Anyone know the story on the 000 (green)?

Can't find it for sale anywhere, or any info stating it was discontinued.

Ryan Hamilton · · Orem · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 5

No idea, but I've pondered getting one from time to time for those teeny tiny aid placements. 

Matt Pierce · · Denver, CO · Joined May 2010 · Points: 278

I heard awhile back they had stopped making the fat cams - although are making them again?...not sure that helps you though

John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,535

According to Metolius' website, they only make sizes #00 and up. Probably just haven't updated the stock photo. 

Pnelson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 380

Just get the silver c3.  Same ultra-tiny size range.

Gordy Schafer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 35

Anyone have an idea as to WHY it is no longer made?

Gordy Schafer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 35
Pnelson wrote:

Thanks though

John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,535
GoBoy wrote:

Anyone have an idea as to WHY it is no longer made?

I'd imagine if you called or emailed Metolius and asked, they'd tell you. They're super cool folks and are usually really good about talking with their customers. 

Gordy Schafer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 35
John Wilder wrote:

I'd imagine if you called or emailed Metolius and asked, they'd tell you. They're super cool folks and are usually really good about talking with their customers. 

Thanks John, sent an email. I will post what they say!

Tom Sherman · · Bristol, RI · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 412

The U-stem is an absolute shite design for micro cams. Anyone who has owned a blue metolious or smaller would likely agree. Are they still selling the #000 in the Mastercam series?

Gordy Schafer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 35
Tom Sherman wrote:

The U-stem is an absolute shite design for micro cams. Anyone who has owned a blue metolious or smaller would likely agree. Are they still selling the #000 in the Mastercam series?

Would be nice to have a 000 mastercam, as far as i know that was never an option.
That said, TCU's certainly have their place, & they are lighter. (Even lighter than the new ultralight mastercams).

I have used the micro masters & TCUs extensively, & have fallen A LOT on both. The TCU's hold up really well to abuse.

Jake Jones · · Richmond, VA · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 1,644
Tom Sherman wrote:

The U-stem is an absolute shite design for micro cams. Anyone who has owned a blue metolious or smaller would likely agree. Are they still selling the #000 in the Mastercam series?

Not sure they ever sold the 000 in a single stem 4 lobe MasterCam.  The smallest I've ever seen, both on their site and from retailers is the gray 00.  Also, I disagree that the double stem on TCU is terrible for small cams.  They work brilliantly in horizontals.  I emailed Metolius once and asked them about the designs and their answer in a nutshell was that TCUs are designed for placements in horizontals and Masters work better in vertical placements.  This is partially due to the trigger wires on the Mastercams not readily folding over an edge (though I've never had a problem falling on them in horizontals) and that the double stem on a TCU is more flexible and goes over an edge nicely.  I tend to agree.

eli poss · · Durango, Co · Joined May 2014 · Points: 484

Sad to see the 000 go, if that has become its fate. On the other hand, Ballnuts. 

Gordy Schafer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 35

Metolius' response:

"They have been discontinued. Unfortunately the tiny cam was just too delicate to function for
very long, the springs couldn't take repeated loading."


Bummer!

Rob T · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 10

And this is why i cringe when I hear whining about reasonable limitations in gear. 

Specialty pieces(VG’s, tiny cams, micro nuts) are usually low margin products. It doesn’t take much time spent on customer complaints to tip the profitability on these to the negative, then killing them off is just easier than fielding complaints. 

Guess we get the gear market we deserve. 

20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346
Rob T wrote:

And this is why i cringe when I hear whining about reasonable limitations in gear. 

Specialty pieces(VG’s, tiny cams, micro nuts) are usually low margin products. It doesn’t take much time spent on customer complaints to tip the profitability on these to the negative, then killing them off is just easier than fielding complaints. 

Guess we get the gear market we deserve. 

Well you could argue that the CS rep is getting paid regardless of whether he is reading complaints about 000s or not and it's extremely likely Metolius had to hire on more staff just because of the addition of 000s. I dont really envision Metolius getting waves of angry climbers complaining about the 000s anyway. I dident even know a 000 existed and I used to work at a gear shop that sold Metolius for a long time. You learn something new every day I guess. Maybe they should bring them back, but in a Master Cam version.

patto · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 25

I was going to suggest Wild Country Zeros.  Green(#2) is the size of a #000 Metolius and Purple(#1) is even smaller.

But it seems they have gone out of production too!  I'll hang onto my Green!

eli poss · · Durango, Co · Joined May 2014 · Points: 484
patto wrote:

I was going to suggest Wild Country Zeros.  Green(#2) is the size of a #000 Metolius and Purple(#1) is even smaller.

But it seems they have gone out of production too!  I'll hang onto my Green!

Yeah the Zeros are awesome if you can managed to find them. Unfortunately, the larger sizes (red,blue,yellow which are equivilent to yellow through purple TCUs) are lot easier to find than than the smaller ones.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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