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Touchstone wall descent anchors


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Garrett R. · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 40

This past week I had the pleasure of climbing some beautiful routes in Zion. We were, however, shocked at the state of the anchors for the Touchstone descent gully. I know it is possible to rap the route, but we were under the impression that the gully was the standard descent. Either way, almost all of the anchors for this rappel route were total garbage, consisting of poor drilled pitons and antique bolts. I don't think that this appropriate to a trade route with frequent traffic, and am encouraging anyone with the knowledge to upgrade these with a modern bolt at the least. If no one gets around to it I'll do it myself, but don't know the next time I'll visit Zion.

 

A fatality waiting to happen: one star drive and a shitty drilled piton.

Kauait · · Sandy Utah · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 0

Looks like the tat is the weakest link to me! 

Welcome to zion!!

Garrett R. · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 40

Kauait wrote:

Looks like the tat is the weakest link to me! 

Welcome to zion!!

The question is why does this exist? No one would tolerate this as a belay anchor on the route. I've climbed a fair bit in the desert and am no stranger to crap anchors, but there is no justification for just dismissing it as "welcome to Zion" when it is logistically, legally, and ethically straightforward to improve the anchor.


Stagg54 Taggart · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 10

Garrett R. wrote:

The question is why does this exist? No one would tolerate this as a belay anchor on the route. I've climbed a fair bit in the desert and am no stranger to crap anchors, but there is no justification for just dismissing it as "welcome to Zion" when it is logistically, legally, and ethically straightforward to improve the anchor.


drilled angles seem to be standard...  Sure the drive-in sucks, but drilled angles can be quite bomber.  And you're only wrapping on it, not taking whippers... Could it be better?  Of course... Ifnyou feel passionately about it, go do it.  But can the entitled attitude of "Oh someone else should go fix this for me"...  Replace the tat and it appears to be an adequate anchor (at least from what I can see in the picture).

Garrett R. · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 40

Stagg54 Taggart wrote:

drilled angles seem to be standard...  Sure the drive-in sucks, but drilled angles can be quite bomber.  And you're only wrapping on it, not taking whippers... Could it be better?  Of course... Ifnyou feel passionately about it, go do it.  But can the entitled attitude of "Oh someone else should go fix this for me"...  Replace the tat and it appears to be an adequate anchor (at least from what I can see in the picture).

As I stated in my first post, I'd happily replace it. However, I don't expect to return to the area for at least a year or two. And yes, drilled pitons can be good; this one isn't.

I felt true concern about the integrity of the anchor while rappeling. I don't want others to experience this (or worse), so I am taking steps to bring about change.

I don't understand the push back against advocating for reasonable modern anchors on a frequently utilized rappel route. If you don't want to replace it that's fine, but there are others who would.

Greg Gavin · · SLC, UT · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 758

Is that the anchor midway down the gully halfway down a larger rap? If so that anchor can be skipped if rapping with one rope which may explain why it's still there.

Andy Novak · · Golden, Co · Joined Aug 2007 · Points: 370

Yur gunna die

Stagg54 Taggart · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 10

Garrett R. wrote:

As I stated in my first post, I'd happily replace it. However, I don't expect to return to the area for at least a year or two. And yes, drilled pitons can be good; this one isn't.

I felt true concern about the integrity of the anchor while rappeling. I don't want others to experience this (or worse), so I am taking steps to bring about change.

I don't understand the push back against advocating for reasonable modern anchors on a frequently utilized rappel route. If you don't want to replace it that's fine, but there are others who would.

Fair enough...   Perhaps I misinterpreted your original post and was a little too critical.

Rob Warden...Space Lizard · · Between Zion, Vegas, LA, an… · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 115

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