Potential Move to Seattle Area

My wife has the option to transfer with her job to their Seattle office (Specifically in  Bellevue), and we are trying to figure out if its something we want to do. I am trying to get a feel for the climbing opportunities in the are and use that to inform where we look to locate. 

Some specific questions

Are there realistic year-round climbing opportunities in the area? or does it just get too wet in the winter to climb? 

What area should we focus on to locate with an eye toward climbing (and general mountain) access, and within a reasonable (45min ) drive to Bellevue?

As Climbers what do you like about the Seattle area? 

Bellevue is great other than the traffic.  Stone Gardens in BellTown is a really nice gym. Mos

As far as weather yes it rains a lot in the winter and most things on the west side will remain wet.  However you really can't beat the summers with their long days and perfect temps.  There is a lot of climbing with in a short distance but most of it will be wet during the winter if it's on the west side.  Areas: Exit 32/38, Index (will dry out during dry spells in the winter) will meet your 45 minute requirement. But don't neglect Darrington and Mt. Erie .  If you travel East you can find dry conditions in Vantage, Tieton in the winter and before the snow starts flying Leavenworth is world class and drier than it's western counterparts.  During the Summer there are enough alpine climbing adventures to keep one busy for multiple lifetimes.  Check out The Enchantments to get an idea.  All and all Seattle is a great place to live with plenty of outdoor activities to keep you occupied.  Skiing is a great way to not let the rain get to you, when it's raining in the city it's snowing in the mountains!  

As for what I like: The alpine opportunities!

Oh and Smith Rock and Squamish are about 5 hours away. 

Good luck. 

kcradford wrote:

My wife has the option to transfer with her job to their Seattle office (Specifically in  Bellevue), and we are trying to figure out if its something we want to do. I am trying to get a feel for the climbing opportunities in the are and use that to inform where we look to locate. 

Some specific questions

Are there realistic year-round climbing opportunities in the area? or does it just get too wet in the winter to climb? 

What area should we focus on to locate with an eye toward climbing (and general mountain) access, and within a reasonable (45min ) drive to Bellevue?

As Climbers what do you like about the Seattle area? 

There are sporadic dry winter periods when you can climb, but they are infrequent and unreliable. Winter is generally too wet to climb.

By all means, do not try to live close to the mountains with a long drive to work. Unless you are able to telecommute most of the time. Traffic around here is brutal, and especially so commuting to Bellevue on a weekday. Live as close to work as possible if you value your sanity.

This is a beautiful area, with lots of good climbing and a vibrant city. It you like granite, we have lots, and it is really good. But be prepared for wet winters. Skiing is a necessary hobby to get through the winter.

You won't be climbing rock in the winter, but you have access to some of the best alpine climbing in the United States.  If you like long trad climbs, there are effectively endless options within a few hours.  Squamish is just over the border! And Index.  

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By all means, do not try to live close to the mountains with a long drive to work. Unless you are able to telecommute most of the time. Traffic around here is brutal, and especially so commuting to Bellevue on a weekday. Live as close to work as possible if you value your sanity.

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Nick Sweeney wrote:

You won't be climbing rock in the winter, but you have access to some of the best alpine climbing in the United States.  If you like long trad climbs, there are effectively endless options within a few hours.  Squamish is just over the border! And Index.  

Vantage???

JCM wrote:

By all means, do not try to live close to the mountains with a long drive to work. Unless you are able to telecommute most of the time. Traffic around here is brutal, and especially so commuting to Bellevue on a weekday. Live as close to work as possible if you value your sanity.

Thanks for the advice. I would be working from home, my wife would need to commute at least 4 days per week so I think we might be a bit more flexible on that front. What would be some good areas to look at that offer good access to clmibng, skiing, ect but are not too far from town (or is this a magical place that does not exist)?

 

Nick Sweeney wrote:

You won't be climbing rock in the winter, but you have access to some of the best alpine climbing in the United States.  If you like long trad climbs, there are effectively endless options within a few hours.  Squamish is just over the border! And Index.  

Sounds like I am going to need to learn to alpine climb, but an abundance of long trad climbs sounds perfect. 

The closest climbing and skiing on the eastside means heading east on I-90, towards Snoqualmie Pass. Alpental and the surrounding backcountry are where it's at for quick access skiing and alpine routes, even ice at times. For rock, look at Little Si (Exit 32) and Exit 38. There are quite a few other crags and multi pitch routes, and once the long anticipated Snoqualmie Vally guidebook comes out, you'll have a great reference. Index is north and east on Highway 2 but an easy day trip, with Leavenworth further east on 2. Squamish is an easy weekend trip, as is Smith. Smith can be doable year round if you really want it to be.

So.  I live in Bellevue.  I find it quite accessible to Index, Gold Bar, Exit 32, Exit 38, Vantage, Leavenworth and the North Cascades.   I have never had an issue finding somewhere to climb year round in Washington.  Vantage smells like piss in some places but its a great winter climbing destination 2 hours from Seattle.  Smith is also great for a winter trip.  The summer however is what draws climbers to the PNW.  You have so many world class destinations in your backyard.  Squamish, Index, Leavenworth and the North Cascades Alpine are out of this world.  Mountaineering possibilities galore if thats your bag.  I moved to Colorado for a year and missed the climbing in the PNW if that gives you any indication of the quality of rock in this area.  Good luck with your decision. 

Bellevue is a nice place, I lived there for 10 years before moving a few miles over to Downtown Seattle. Access to the Snoquamlie area is very easy from there. There is a huge amount of alpine climbing and skiing in the 2 hour radius as well. 

Just general advice, be sure to look at cost of living before committing to the transfer to anywhere in this area. 

So, it looks like we are going to go through with the move and will likely be heading out there sometime in the Spring. 

We are starting the process of trying to figure out where we would like to live. We are trying to get a feel for how the different areas around Bellevue and what our options are. Does anyone have any recommendations for great areas that are somewhat accessible to downtown Bellevue (extra points if they are bike/walkable to avoid having to pay to park). 

kcradford wrote:

So, it looks like we are going to go through with the move and will likely be heading out there sometime in the Spring. 

We are starting the process of trying to figure out where we would like to live. We are trying to get a feel for how the different areas around Bellevue and what our options are. Does anyone have any recommendations for great areas that are somewhat accessible to downtown Bellevue (extra points if they are bike/walkable to avoid having to pay to park). 

It all really depends on your price point. Everybody kind of defines the greater Downtown Bellevue by the area sandwiched between 520 (N), I-90 (S), Lake Washington (W), and 405 (E). There are several different areas within that with residential. 

Right in the core of downtown there is actually a good amount of residential. You will definitely pay a premium for a apartment or condo, but they will be equally as nice. It will be a highrise with amenities, good views, etc. Lots of condos are for rent, and that is usually where you can find your best bang for the buck rental prices. Bellevue Towers, which is a great building (technically 2 buildings) often has 2br/2ba 1500sqft rent for $3700-4000/mo. In comparable apartment towers you would expect to pay +$500-1500 above that.  (It’s really a steal compared to downtown Seattle where the same thing would rent for +$1-2500 on top of that easily.) Just for comparison, a 450sqft studio runs for $1500-1700. There are also townhomes in the area that vary in price point, but they all kind of fall in the same lines.  I don’t know anybody unhappy living in this area. 

To the east of downtown, there is a lot of residential, mostly houses. These houses are currently getting snapped up really fast and are pretty competitive to buy. It’s a great area for families and very convinient for people who work in Downtown Bellevue, Redmond, and also Seattle due to highway access. Definitely a booming location. If you are in the market to buy a 1.5M-3M home, this is the hottest place. (I believe the average value increase was 20% this last year in this area.) Rentals are very hard to come by here.

To the north and south you’ll mostly see houses and townhomes. Prices on all of those will vary. Rent is less than downtown per square foot, but usually the quality of townhomes are not as high. Many of the lower price point places are being taken down and rebuilt. 

To the west is Media and Clyde hill, I don’t think those are really worth mentioning. Property values are insane, but hey, you get to be neighbors with Billy and Bezos! 

Those are all within the bounds of the greater Downtown area. Outside is a lot more flexible. 

To the east of 405, there are still plenty of homes. From there, the price points massively drop off. Pretty much 1-1.5M is shaved off home prices. Rent accordingly goes down. Finding a home a mile east of 405 for 4000/mo is not unreasonable. You may even be able to score something down to 3500/mo if you are lucky. There are some townhomes and aparetments as well for rent, you’d be looking at maybe 25-3000 for a 2br. If you start going into the Crossroads area, prices are more consistently lower, but accessibility becomes less convinient. Crossroads is the home of Stone Garden, which is the biggest climbing gym in the area - if that plays any role in your decision. 

To the north of 520 there is Kirkland, which is a very nice area. Pricing varies pretty wildly there. I’ve heard of a lot of people renting nice condos for similar to the above prices. This is kind of a favorite area for a lot of people in there late 20s and 30s at the moment. When you say “Kirkland”, most people picture some sort of picturesque day of walking a dog by the water and then eating artisan tacos. It’s got great access to Redmond where housing is terrible, so it’s rapidly gaining popularity. Homes are relatively inexpensive for the area for whatever reason. If you go even farther north towards Bothell, there is a lot of residential for good prices, but the commute can be a real pain. That area is pretty much known to have the worst traffic in the area. 

If you go south of I-90 towards Newcastle and Renton, there are a lot of new developments for good prices that can be found. Commuting is a lot longer and traffic is not friendly. There is some residential in between that I have actually never personally been to, but it could be a good balance of price to convenience. 

Northeast of the area is towards Redmond. There you’ll mostly find homes and townhomes. Housing is limited in Redmond and a lot of people work there, so prices are high for what you get. Not really ideal for somebody who doesn’t need to be there. 

West of the water goes into, well, the water. One could always live in a boat and live their Sleepless in Seattle dreams. (You can also go into Mercer Island, but that has very high pricing and lacks convenience. Farther than that you would be in Seattle.)

All in all, it’s a very nice area. There are no “dangerous” places and most people are well off hardworking individuals. I grew up in Bellevue and still spend time in the area. I now live in Downtown Seattle instead though. 

kcradford wrote:

So, it looks like we are going to go through with the move and will likely be heading out there sometime in the Spring. 

We are starting the process of trying to figure out where we would like to live. We are trying to get a feel for how the different areas around Bellevue and what our options are. Does anyone have any recommendations for great areas that are somewhat accessible to downtown Bellevue (extra points if they are bike/walkable to avoid having to pay to park). 

On the NE edge of Bellevue lies Redmond. It has Vertical World, a small, but friendly indoor gym and Marymoor, a large outdoor rock facility. The bike commute to downtown Bellevue might be a challenge on cold, rainy days, but I met one fellow who would ride it every weekday. Much of it would probably be along a bike trail. 

  

So we are on track to be moved on the 2nd week of July.

We haven't found a place to live but we like the Kirkland/Redmond/Bellevue area, and that seems to be in our budget. (Whats the secret to finding a place to live out there it seems like houses are never available for more than a few days?)

Anyway, I am going to be looking to get out the summer and get some climbing in. We don't know many people in the area and not that many climbers so I will definitely be looking for new partners. Mostly weekends.

Will also be looking for gym partners during the week, I am not sure what gym we will end up at it depends on where we live.  

this is not related to your question but if you like slab like your profile suggests you should check out Darrington.

Sent you a PM with my info for when you get to town.  Hit me up and my wife and I would be happy to show you around 

IJMayer wrote: this is not related to your question but if you like slab like your profile suggests you should check out Darrington.

I love slab, and Darrington looks great.

Check out Issaquah, it's way more affordable than Bellevue, Kirkland or Redmond and has great access to climbing and training hikes. 

Eric Thompson wrote: Check out Issaquah, it's way more affordable than Bellevue, Kirkland or Redmond and has great access to climbing and training hikes. 

Yup, easier to get on 90 to get to the exits on weeknights.  Also of note SG Bellevue is a far better facility than VW Redmond IMO. The secret to buying houses here is to have cash and waive the inspection, seriously market is insane. 

Nick Drake wrote:

Yup, easier to get on 90 to get to the exits on weeknights.  Also of note SG Bellevue is a far better facility than VW Redmond IMO. The secret to buying houses here is to have cash and waive the inspection, seriously market is insane. 

Thanks for the advice, we looked at Issaquah it's on the outer rim of where we would consider. We are optimizing around a commute to downtown Bellevue, and my wife is tired of commuting 45min+ every day.

I don't see us buying a house in the area until we have lived here for a while, and hopefully, the market calms down a bit. 

kcradford wrote:
  don't see us buying a house in the area until we have lived here for a while, and hopefully, the market calms down a bit. 

Ha! Good luck with that.