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Johny Vegas to Sun Flower


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Emmanuel Lacoste · · Bullhead City · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 8

My partner and I plan on doing Johny Vegas to Sun Flower on Solar Slab. Haven't been up there since the late 80's, curious about the rap route on Solar Slab.


Thanks ahead of time.

Emmanuel

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 420

I just rapped JV/SS. I was surprised that  my usual rap, from the boulder at  the top of JV to the tree below in the gully, had no more tat on it. Curious if this was removed on purpose? I always found this to be the fastest way out of the area, as opposed to starting the rap in the gully. Other than that- it's all pretty straightforward and hard to mess up.

PatMas · · Tulsa, OK · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 0

Avoid rapping johnny Vegas, it’s a rope eater. The gully is a way better option for rapping. The rappers off of solar slab pulled clean. But I don’t know beta for sun flower rapping.

Weston L · · Summerlin, NV · Joined Mar 2010 · Points: 853

Leslie McG wrote:

I just rapped JV/SS. I was surprised that  my usual rap, from the boulder at  the top of JV to the tree below in the gully, had no more tat on it. Curious if this was removed on purpose? I always found this to be the fastest way out of the area, as opposed to starting the rap in the gully. Other than that- it's all pretty straightforward and hard to mess up.

Tat rap from a boulder at the top of JV?  At least over the past 8 years there have been two sets of bolted anchors proximal to the top of JV. No tat.


With respect to the rope eating issue, both rap stations will reach, but the lower of the two will save you from getting your rope stuck to the climbers left of the roof on the first rap from the top of JV/Football Ledge.

Emmanuel Lacoste · · Bullhead City · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 8

Not worried about rap on Johny Vegas. The plan is to continue on Sunflower and t Rap from up high. Near the top of Solar Slab the route.

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 420

Weston L wrote:

Tat rap from a boulder at the top of JV?  At least over the past 8 years there have been two sets of bolted anchors proximal to the top of JV. No tat.


With respect to the rope eating issue, both rap stations will reach, but the lower of the two will save you from getting your rope stuck to the climbers left of the roof on the first rap from the top of JV/Football Ledge.

The bolts/rap station off to the side are still there. From that rap you used to rap straight down to a tree with tons of tat on it, and from there into the gully floor. The tat around the tree is now gone, meaning this is no longer an option. Now everyone will have to  do this first rap with 2 ropes or rap the gully..creating some clusterf...k potential. 

Weston L · · Summerlin, NV · Joined Mar 2010 · Points: 853

There is no tree for rappelling Johnny Vegas.  Not sure what you are recalling rapping but obviously not that route. 

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 420

Weston L wrote:

There is no tree for rappelling Johnny Vegas.  Not sure what you are recalling rapping but obviously not that route. 

Definitely recalling what I have done a half dozen times and the ONLY way I have ever done it. "Obviously" you were not with me. I can not only recall when I did it but who I rapped it with each time. 

Weston L · · Summerlin, NV · Joined Mar 2010 · Points: 853

That's cool, but all of the raps for Johnny Vegas are bolted. Anything else is fake news



EDIT: you are rapping the gully.  Just because you recall having done it 1035 times does not mean you are using the right words for the right thing. 

John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,530

Annnyyywaaaayyyy.... 

If you're doing jv to sunflower, I'd recommend topping out and doing the double rope descent for black Orpheus. It can be done easily with a 70m line or if you're willing to downclimb 10' of 4th class, a 60m will also work. Don't skip stations. 

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 420

Weston L wrote:

That's cool, but all of the raps for Johnny Vegas are bolted. Anything else is fake news



EDIT: you are rapping the gully.  Just because you recall having done it 1035 times does not mean you are using the right words for the right thing. 

I said the gully. I rap the boulder climbers right of JV to the TREE in the GULLY! I am trying to be helpful as well as figure out what happened to that rap station and don't appreciate you being a jerk.

Paul Morrison · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 0

Leslie McG wrote:

I said the gully. I rap the boulder climbers right of JV to the TREE in the GULLY! I am trying to be helpful as well as figure out what happened to that rap station and don't appreciate you being a jerk.

What's so helpful about calling people names?

John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,530

Leslie McG wrote:

I said the gully. I rap the boulder climbers right of JV to the TREE in the GULLY! I am trying to be helpful as well as figure out what happened to that rap station and don't appreciate you being a jerk.

I think the tree station was removed because you can rap in off the bolts now onto the SS Gully raps and it's not needed. 

For those who haven't spent a ton of time exploring the SS gully area, there are a few options for getting into the gully, including an old rappel line (which is adjacent to a route I put up years ago that's located right of Friedas on the left side of the gully), which is what Leslie is referring to. 

In recent years, after a few epics from people rappelling directly down JV, a bolted line dropping straight into the gully from the top of JV appeared. This drops you down to the top of 3 in the gully, slightly right of the old rap line, so I imagine someone chopped the old tat when the bolts went in or slightly after. 

Derek Doucet · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 53

John Wilder wrote:

Annnyyywaaaayyyy.... 

If you're doing jv to sunflower, I'd recommend topping out and doing the double rope descent for black Orpheus. It can be done easily with a 70m line or if you're willing to downclimb 10' of 4th class, a 60m will also work. Don't skip stations. 

This. MUCH better than rapping JV or the Gully.

Locals Only · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 1,110

Leslie McG wrote:

 "Obviously" you were not with me.

Not true he was there.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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