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How long until you can "onsight" a route again?


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Ryan Van Dyke · · Rolla, MO · Joined Jun 2017 · Points: 15

Title says it all. How much time needs to pass in order for you to be unfamiliar enough with a route you've already climbed to consider another send an onsight? Does it depend on the difficulty of a route? How memorable it was?

Artem B · · Vancouver, BC · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 0

Never. You get 1 shot.

Aleks Zebastian · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175

climbing friend,

NEVARRRRRR!!!!

all your flash are belong to me

Jason Kim · · Encinitas, CA · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 255

Only one shot. UNLESS you take an epic whip on said route and can claim amnesia due to temporary coma. One of the reasons you shouldn't wear a helmet, by the way.

mountainhick · · Black Hawk, CO · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 120

Alzheimers/amnesia is great for repeating onsights! I do it all the time. If it's been so long that i don't remember a thing about the climb, it counts as an onsight... even if it is the second time.

But seriously aside from the non-Alzheimers/amnesia issue, I have gone back to some routes I hadn't climbed in over 30 years and getting back on them had no memory of them at all. And really, who cares what I call my second ascents, I am not trying to prove anything to anyone else. Not like it's going into any kind of record book.

John Barritt · · OKC · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 1,053

If you do it blindfolded it's an "unsight"

If you're backwards it's a "hindsight"

;)

Guy Keesee · · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 310

To make it more clear......    Do do ever get to become a virgin again?????   


Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Ryan Van Dyke wrote:

Title says it all. How much time needs to pass in order for you to be unfamiliar enough with a route you've already climbed to consider another send an onsight? 

1000 years. 

IOW, you have one chance and one chance only to onsight.

Bryce Adamson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 623

I think the term you're looking for is "retro-flash." 

I've always thought of that term as kind of a joke, though. No, you can't flash or onsight something you've already climbed.

Greg D · · Here · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 871
John Barritt wrote:

If you do it blindfolded it's an "unsight"

If you're backwards it's a "hindsight"

;)

If I flail or fall off a route that I have previously onsited, then I call it an unsite.

Steph · · Jackson, NH · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 0
Guy Keesee wrote:

To make it more clear......    Do do ever get to become a virgin again?????   


Actually, you can: Hymenoplasty

Muscrat · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 3,610

YES YOU CAN!

Turn 60+, you get an A.O.S.

(alzheimers on-sight)

Believe me, it's real.

:)

Aerili · · Los Alamos, NM · Joined Mar 2007 · Points: 1,970

Two methods:

1. Amnesia onsight

2. Seasonal onsight

I'm sure if you tried hard, you could come up with more.

Skibo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 5

I onsight every climb I do, regardless of how many times I do it.  I can't remember the moves 5 minutes later.

Greg Opland · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2001 · Points: 167

We call that an Alzheimer's Onsight.

Tomily ma · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 290

Stoner’s onsight is 2 years without seeing the route. In Canada it’s 34 years. (Double it and add 32.) 

Tapawingo Markey · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 75

I’ve always felt there’s a mental onsight and physical onsight. Physical onsight is the first time you onsighted the route. Mental onsights can occur anytime you reclimb the route provided enough spliffs/beers have been had and/or enough time had passed to completely forget you climbed the route in the first place. 

Healyje · · PDX · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 290

Bill Coe who posts here once did an onsight attempt of a typical moss job up this way and on getting up it a ways he found a pin overgrown with moss and yelled down to his belayer that someone had done the route before. His belayer burst out laughing because he knew it had been Bill who put up the route years before and had forgotten it entirely so those senior / alzheimer ascents are possible.

IcePick · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2017 · Points: 100
Aleks Zebastian wrote:

climbing friend,

NEVARRRRRR!!!!

all your flash are belong to me

Yawn.....

FY · · Boston, MA · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 25

actually if you use all previous hand holds for feet and foot holds for hands then it's an entirely new route, and if you manage it first go, it's a FA onsight!! BOOM.

La MoMoFace · · Arvada, CO · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 60

Ah, the Irish onsight...

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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