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So you're at the crag when someone shows up with a drone and begins flying it near you. Does this bug you? What do you do?


eddysamson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 1,030
BigB wrote:

I will....They have the freedom to take that knee in protest because people who STAND for the national anthem died for their right to take that knee

I stood for the national anthem when I went to a Celtics game in May. Was unaware I've since been dead.

Ralph Swansen · · Denver CO · Joined Nov 2012 · Points: 335

The problem is, these things are clearly becoming more and more popular. Unless people take a stand and have discussions with the operators, this bullshit will be happening every time we go to any crag. 

 I find it difficult to understand how drone operators do not understand how creepy and intrusive operating one of these things around others is, especially without consent.

It’s like a very loud weedwacker/swarm of bees and is very distracting while on lead. Since the noise is constant and not variable like a dirt bike, it is even more annoying, by a lot. 

Also, I don’t want to be filmed without my permission by someone in an undisclosed location. How would you feel if I walked up to you with my cellphone filming and just kept filming you and walking around you. All the while farting ridiculously.  Wouldn’t that be weird?

I really dislike these things and really don’t care about the absolutely amazing footage due to the intrusiveness of the process...

Take em out!!!!

TBlom · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2004 · Points: 360
wankel7 wrote:

If that drone could see your dick from 100' I would take that as a HUGE compliment. 

99 percent of the drones up there do not have mechanical zooms and they have wide angle cameras. Your penis was around 0.004 pixels small. 

are you calling out my micropenis?

Em Cos · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 5
Mark Waterous wrote:

You don't think a piece of metal capable of sustaining a 26kn force would win against drone blades? Birds can take down jet engines, for scale.

Sure, but... the birds don't tend to survive those encounters either. 

Nick Goldsmith · · Pomfret VT · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 440

It depends. I was soling a few months ago and got buzzed by a drone. it gave me a bit of a scare. initially i gave it the finger but then i wanted the pictures......  Last summer Isa and I were swimming in the saco river after climbing. a drone came and hovered right over us for about 30sec while we were skinny dipping. would gladly have shot that one down.

Nick Goldsmith · · Pomfret VT · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 440

I am ok with the idea of an official photo shoot but that obviously needs to be limited.  random drones are creepy as Fck.

Mark Says · · Aspen, CO · Joined Jul 2017 · Points: 395
Em Cos wrote:

Sure, but... the birds don't tend to survive those encounters either. 

I mean, there's always hope right?

*feathers explode in all directions*

Birds don't need all their feathers, it could be alright.

*engine lights on fire*

I'm just going to look out the other window.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Mark Waterous wrote:

I mean, there's always hope right?

*feathers explode in all directions*

Birds don't need all their feathers, it could be alright.

*engine lights on fire*

I'm just going to look out the other window.

Don't worry. The blades of the quadcopter will shatter on impact with a biner.

wivanoff · · Northeast, USA · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 472

The few times a drone came by when I was climbing I thought it kept a "respectful" distance. It was clear that they were taking video of me. I might have been more bothered if it came closer. Would have liked a link to to the video.

John Byrnes · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Dec 2007 · Points: 471
Ralph Swansen wrote:

Also, I don’t want to be filmed without my permission by someone in an undisclosed location. How would you feel if I walked up to you with my cellphone filming and just kept filming you and walking around you. All the while farting ridiculously.  Wouldn’t that be weird?

Great analogy, but you need to wear a Guy Fawkes mask so that you're anonymous and creepy.

caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 85
wankel7 wrote:

Who are you to judge my hobby? Who am I to judge your hobby?

Assuming say....National Forest.....it is a land of many uses. If you want to climb. Do it. If I want to ride my two stroke dirt bike and brap brap. I will do it. If I want to fly my powered parachute around. I can do that too. Just like I can fire up my drone and do that also. 

If you want a private place to pursue your hobby where YOU get to make the decisions....then buy your own land. But until then...realize that sacrifices must be made to enjoy public land. Sacrifices such as.....sharing. 

I don't understand the folks that would bring down  or destroy an annoyance to them. If the annoyance was a dirt bike doing laps around a crag would you go over and destroy / vandalize / assault the rider? 

Yes I would do exactly that to someone on a dirtbike. Fuck that shit. 

Daniel Batson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 0

Personally, I'm with the firs two responders. Have a conversation. Ask for his email, give him yours, and get some sick footage! Let them know that getting whacked with one of those (it's happened) while climbing could be very dangerous. Ask him to be aware of climbers space. But ultimately unless it's illegal there, he's got a right to fly it. I'm not sure why people are so uppity and weird about them. They're pretty awesome bits of technology. There are a few schmucks flying them around but by and large they are piloted by people just like you and me, but with a safer hobby :)

AndrewArroz · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10
Daniel Batson wrote:

I'm not sure why people are so uppity and weird about them. 

Really? Try going up to people having a picnic in a park and without asking for permission just walk in circles around them pointing a video camera at them. Or get up on a tall ladder and video tape your neighbor and his kids playing in their pool without permission. Both are legally your right to do. See how that goes and how people generally respond to anonymous, and/or intrusive cameras in their life.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
AndrewArroz wrote:

Really? Try going up to people having a picnic in a park and without asking for permission just walk in circles around them pointing a video camera at them. Or get up on a tall ladder and video tape your neighbor and his kids playing in their pool without permission. Both are legally your right to do. See how that goes and how people generally respond to anonymous, and/or intrusive cameras in their life.

Especially when some of them are marketed as "spy drones".

https://www.amazon.com/Striker-2-4GHz-4-5CH-Spy-Drone/dp/B00X6FMZTU

John Byrnes · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Dec 2007 · Points: 471
Daniel Batson wrote:

 But ultimately unless it's illegal there, he's got a right to fly it.

That's not the same thing.  It may be legal but that does not mean he has a right to fly it.   

For example, most people are legal licensed drivers but they don't have a right to drive.  It's a privilege which if abused will result in the revocation of the license.   

If you don't understand "abuse" imagine a drone that follows you around all day from the moment you leave your house in the morning.  You have no idea who's operating it.  You see it looking into your windows in the middle of the night.  It follows you when you go out on a date.  You're taking a leak in the bushes before a climb and it's right in front of you.   Et cetera.  If that doesn't bother you, you're lying or something is wrong with you.

Drones are new and the legal limits on their use/abuse are still being defined.  People who abuse others with their drones will be the ones who precipitate further legislation and regulations. 

MClay · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 710

Some dudes had a drone buzzing around today during an afternoon bouldering session...in the gym! That was a first for me.

Daniel Batson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 0
John Byrnes wrote:

That's not the same thing.  It may be legal but that does not mean he has a right to fly it.   

For example, most people are legal licensed drivers but they don't have a right to drive.  It's a privilege which if abused will result in the revocation of the license.   

If you don't understand "abuse" imagine a drone that follows you around all day from the moment you leave your house in the morning.  You have no idea who's operating it.  You see it looking into your windows in the middle of the night.  It follows you when you go out on a date.  You're taking a leak in the bushes before a climb and it's right in front of you.   Et cetera.  If that doesn't bother you, you're lying or something is wrong with you.

Drones are new and the legal limits on their use/abuse are still being defined.  People who abuse others with their drones will be the ones who precipitate further legislation and regulations. 

We're getting to semantics on rights as declared by constitution (driving wasn't around when that was written or the bill of rights drafted) but that's a bit of a digression.

I would absolutely have issue with the situation you described as drone abuse, but that's not the type of situation OP was discussing. Not everyone flying a drone around is recording things. While I personally have no issues with them I do believe if anyone is recording they should get your permission or anyone who is identifiable in the recordings. IF they are recording. If they are just flying, not recording, and it's public usable land I don't see why anyone should have an issue. What's the difference between me watching you climb from the ground or watching from a ledge, or from a drone? 

edit: just clarifying my tone, I'm not trying to come across condescending or like a dick. This discussion is good. 

John Byrnes · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Dec 2007 · Points: 471
Daniel Batson wrote:

We're getting to semantics on rights as declared by constitution (driving wasn't around when that was written or the bill of rights drafted) but that's a bit of a digression.

I would absolutely have issue with the situation you described as drone abuse, but that's not the type of situation OP was discussing. Not everyone flying a drone around is recording things. While I personally have no issues with them I do believe if anyone is recording they should get your permission or anyone who is identifiable in the recordings. IF they are recording. If they are just flying, not recording, and it's public usable land I don't see why anyone should have an issue. What's the difference between me watching you climb from the ground or watching from a ledge, or from a drone? 

edit: just clarifying my tone, I'm not trying to come across condescending or like a dick. This discussion is good. 

The difference between an activity being "legal" and saying an individual has a "right" to do it is an important distinction, and must be considered when discussing drones.   "That which is not prohibited is allowed" is a basis of law in this country but as actions are discovered to be "bad" more of them become prohibited.  For example,  I'm old enough to remember when you could carry a gun onto an airplane and your family & friends walked with you to the gate to say goodbye and there wasn't any security at all.    No metal detector, no x-ray, no nothin'.  But we can get back to that later.

I totally disagree with you on the recording distinction.  Does a Peeping Tom need to have a video recorder in order to be illegal/creepy?  If someone plants a camera in a smoke detector over the bed in the Airbnb you rented, do they need to record you and your partner to be condemned?  (This just made the National news if you missed it.)

I've been thinking and I've concluded that the dislike of drones is a basic human reaction to being spied upon.   It's so fundamental that it's ground into our DNA and makes the hair stand up on the back of our necks.   Someone or something watching you from concealment is a predator.    Military drones are aptly called Predators.   Hollywood knows all about it from showing a cross-hair settling-in on a person, to dialog that's become a cliche', "Quiet tonight.   Yeah, too quiet."

Being watched, being surveilled, by an unknown person is creepy.   There are places and times where any reasonable person would expect, and desire, to NOT be watched by an anonymous entity, and I think a pitch or two up is one of them.

s.price · · PS,CO · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 1,348

Anyone remember Google Glass? Kinda sums up what John is saying above.

Climb Soft Spray Hard · · Colorado Springs · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 133

I usually throw my banana peel and my dog's shit bag into the rotor blades while spewing toxic masculinity mid brown-point.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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