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So you're at the crag when someone shows up with a drone and begins flying it near you. Does this bug you? What do you do?


Beean · · Canmore, AB · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0
John Byrnes wrote:

Beean, I agree with you for most situations.   But in the scenario I described above... who you gonna converse with?    The operators can be miles away.  They can "fuck with you" annonymously without any consequences and you have no reasonable course of action.    As I said, even a police officer can only wave his badge at it and if the operators want to ignore him, they can.   This is a problem that current laws and regulations do not address.

Fair enough John, my comment was in response to Eric's notion that it's entirely appropriate to shoot in a public area with the operator nearby (whilst climbing? Do Americans have a belay technique that allows for shooting and keeping your climber safe?). If you're at home out in the sticks with no one at risk, sure. 

But a hose or a bit of string with a rock tied to it would probably take down a drone as easily as shooting at it, and then you get a free drone.  

John Byrnes · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Dec 2007 · Points: 471
Beean wrote:

Fair enough John, my comment was in response to Eric's notion that it's entirely appropriate to shoot in a public area with the operator nearby (whilst climbing? Do Americans have a belay technique that allows for shooting and keeping your climber safe?). If you're at home out in the sticks with no one at risk, sure. 

But a hose or a bit of string with a rock tied to it would probably take down a drone as easily as shooting at it, and then you get a free drone.  

Good idea.  I'm thinking: a sling-shot and a machine-nut with several string streamers tied to it.  

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Beean wrote:

But a hose or a bit of string with a rock tied to it would probably take down a drone as easily as shooting at it, and then you get a free, probably inoperable, drone.  

Fixed that for ya!

wankel7 · · Indiana · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 10
Mark Waterous wrote:

How is flying a drone experiencing the outdoors? When I want to experience the ocean, I don't whip out an rc boat.

Who are you to judge my hobby? Who am I to judge your hobby?

Assuming say....National Forest.....it is a land of many uses. If you want to climb. Do it. If I want to ride my two stroke dirt bike and brap brap. I will do it. If I want to fly my powered parachute around. I can do that too. Just like I can fire up my drone and do that also. 

If you want a private place to pursue your hobby where YOU get to make the decisions....then buy your own land. But until then...realize that sacrifices must be made to enjoy public land. Sacrifices such as.....sharing. 

I don't understand the folks that would bring down  or destroy an annoyance to them. If the annoyance was a dirt bike doing laps around a crag would you go over and destroy / vandalize / assault the rider? 

Mark Says · · Aspen, CO · Joined Jul 2017 · Points: 395
wankel7 wrote:

Who are you to judge my hobby? Who am I to judge your hobby?

Flying a remote controlled device didn't strike me as "experiencing the outdoors". You're not wrong, it is a hobby, but I feel justified in judging you and your hobby when it intrudes on mine. I have no problem with anyone else on the ski hill until you sit down hidden from above or traverse an entire run without looking up. The moment you negatively affect the outcome of my day, I will judge you.

If there was a known dirt bike trail or track near a climb, I have the opportunity to go elsewhere. If you show up flying an army of plus sized angry bumblebees around my head, I think you're the one who should go elsewhere.

AndrewArroz · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10
wankel7 wrote:

Who are you to judge my hobby? Who am I to judge your hobby?

Assuming say....National Forest.....it is a land of many uses. If you want to climb. Do it. If I want to ride my two stroke dirt bike and brap brap. I will do it. If I want to fly my powered parachute around. I can do that too. Just like I can fire up my drone and do that also. 

If you want a private place to pursue your hobby where YOU get to make the decisions....then buy your own land. But until then...realize that sacrifices must be made to enjoy public land. Sacrifices such as.....sharing. 

I don't understand the folks that would bring down  or destroy an annoyance to them. If the annoyance was a dirt bike doing laps around a crag would you go over and destroy / vandalize / assault the rider? 

wankel7 · · Indiana · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 10
AndrewArroz wrote:

Can you expand on this...

AndrewArroz · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10
wankel7 wrote:

Can you expand on this...

wankel7 · · Indiana · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 10
AndrewArroz wrote:

Oh, thanks for the clarification. 

Beean · · Canmore, AB · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0
Marc801 C wrote:

Fixed that for ya!

Appreciate that. This is all hypothetical for me, I haven't seen a drone in the wild before because they seem to be pretty tightly banned here. 

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0
wankel7 wrote:

Who are you to judge my hobby? Who am I to judge your hobby?

Assuming say....National Forest.....it is a land of many uses. If you want to climb. Do it. If I want to ride my two stroke dirt bike and brap brap. I will do it. If I want to fly my powered parachute around. I can do that too. Just like I can fire up my drone and do that also. 

If you want a private place to pursue your hobby where YOU get to make the decisions....then buy your own land. But until then...realize that sacrifices must be made to enjoy public land. Sacrifices such as.....sharing. 

I don't understand the folks that would bring down  or destroy an annoyance to them. If the annoyance was a dirt bike doing laps around a crag would you go over and destroy / vandalize / assault the rider? 

If I could break the bike without doing bodily harm to the rider, then yes, I would fuck that dirt bike up. 

The problem is that they are not really good comparisons. Drones are remote controlled while dirt bikes are not. Drones are new enough where the rules fall in a gray zone whereas I am prepared to deal with dirt bikes if I am climbing in an area where they are allowed. 

If you’re paying attention most of the anti drone sentiment comes from people who have been distracted by or flown dangerously close to. How would you feel if, Using your dirt bike example, they were riding circles around your belayer? 

Go back to the gym. 

Ben Lyon · · Steele, Alabama, USA · Joined May 2017 · Points: 0

"Dropped" QD...

.45acp.

Handful of pennies.

Biner full of stoppers. 

Apple-sized rock. 

Whip the rope at it.... 

Lots of ways to deal with it. 

wankel7 · · Indiana · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 10
mediocre wrote:

If I could break the bike without doing bodily harm to the rider, then yes, I would fuck that dirt bike up. 

The problem is that they are not really good comparisons. Drones are remote controlled while dirt bikes are not. Drones are new enough where the rules fall in a gray zone whereas I am prepared to deal with dirt bikes if I am climbing in an area where they are allowed. 

If you’re paying attention most of the anti drone sentiment comes from people who have been distracted by or flown dangerously close to. How would you feel if, Using your dirt bike example, they were riding circles around your belayer? 

Go back to the gym. 

If you are going to be at that gym....I will pass sunshine. You would really damage a dirt bike?

TBlom · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2004 · Points: 360

After enjoying the beach one day, I walked back to the car, and hidden between the dune and the car, changed out of my wet shorts and took a leak.  Mid stream I hear that faint buzzing of a drone.  I look straight up and see a drone maybe 100' above me.  Fuckin' kooks and their drones spying on me while I change and take a leak...   Never been a big fan of them despite their potential 'sick footy'.  

When we got married, we heard a rumor that one of our guests was planning to bring one.  My wife and I both find them to inhibit privacy and the outdoor experience in general.  We actually had to include a note in our wedding info page that we didn't want drones buzzing our guests.  Some people really don't get what the issue is.  It's like a giant mosquito that steals your peace instead of your blood.  

PS I wouldn't waste a QD on taking a drone down, but one of those old hand tied over the shoulder slings would do the trick.

David Vogel · · Lake Forest, CA · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 1,360

On my end with the OP I will say a drone was flying  in close proximity to me at Tahquitz and my best explanation was that it felt like a bee hive was swarming around my head.  I also happened to be on a more difficult part of a  particular pitch (for my limits) and it definitely affected my lead head. Zen was gone. People are going to fly drones, and I assume they will be even more popular in the years to come. From a safety standpoint as a climber a nearby drone is very distracting and could endanger a climber.  I hope they come out with super stealthy ones and I’ll never notice. I actually ran in to the group with the drone later and kindly explained my predicament. They were cordial about it and understanding, seemed like they didn’t think it could mess a climbers zen game on the wall. I will say also I wouldn’t mind trying one of those drones out one day (in the right circumstances)!

wankel7 · · Indiana · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 10
TBlom wrote:

After enjoying the beach one day, I walked back to the car, and hidden between the dune and the car, changed out of my wet shorts and took a leak.  Mid stream I hear that faint buzzing of a drone.  I look straight up and see a drone maybe 100' above me.  Fuckin' kooks and their drones spying on me while I change and take a leak...   Never been a big fan of them despite their potential 'sick footy'.  

When we got married, we heard a rumor that one of our guests was planning to bring one.  My wife and I both find them to inhibit privacy and the outdoor experience in general.  We actually had to include a note in our wedding info page that we didn't want drones buzzing our guests.  Some people really don't get what the issue is.  It's like a giant mosquito that steals your peace instead of your blood.  

PS I wouldn't waste a QD on taking a drone down, but one of those old hand tied over the shoulder slings would do the trick.

If that drone could see your dick from 100' I would take that as a HUGE compliment. 

99 percent of the drones up there do not have mechanical zooms and they have wide angle cameras. Your penis was around 0.004 pixels small. 

Nathan M · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2017 · Points: 0

We can't ban what we don't like there are more people following the rules then breaking them when it comes to drones for those annoying ones FAA fines are big enough that they won't do it again every drone has a flight log you can't alter so there is no problem if someones flying recklessly report them or don't unless it poses a direct threat to you that will be dependent on the situation. I mean we all want epic pics and video while we are sending

wankel7 · · Indiana · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 10
Nathan M wrote:

We can't ban what we don't like there are more people following the rules then breaking them when it comes to drones for those annoying ones FAA fines are big enough that they won't do it again every drone has a flight log you can't alter so there is no problem if someones flying recklessly report them or don't unless it poses a direct threat to you that will be dependent on the situation. I mean we all want epic pics and video while we are sending

Nice image. Almost none of that applies in the US. 

Charles Hightower · · Newburgh, IN · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 50

Buy/build a drone hijacker.  I can see it now.  Carabiner on one end and device on the other.  If a drone comes to close to you while climbing, the drones going in the dirt.  Better it than you.  There are tutorials on how to build the things.


Mark Says · · Aspen, CO · Joined Jul 2017 · Points: 395
Nathan M wrote:

We can't ban what we don't like there are more people following the rules then breaking them when it comes to drones for those annoying ones FAA fines are big enough that they won't do it again every drone has a flight log you can't alter so there is no problem if someones flying recklessly report them or don't unless it poses a direct threat to you that will be dependent on the situation. I mean we all want epic pics and video while we are sending

Trust me, everyone in this country is currently aware of this.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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