Smoke at the Needles?


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Clayton Mandly · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 0

I've been watching the Pier fire due west of the Needles between Springville and Camp Nelson.  I'm wondering if anyone has any info or predictions on current smoke levels at the Needles. Is the air quality prohibitively bad for climbing?

benkraft Kraft · · San Francisco, California · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 10
Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
benkraft Kraft wrote:

But I'd be surprised if 190 is open. 

Not yet:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5548/ says:

Hard Road Closures: The following roads are closed to all traffic:

Cow Mountain Road at its intersection with Rio Vista Road.

Highway 190 east of Springville is closed at Upper Rio Vista Road to eastbound traffic.

Highway 190 north of Ponderosa is closed at Forest Road 21S50 to westbound traffic.

I think they meant FR21S05 - the upper road and primary access to the Needles.

Clayton Mandly · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 0
benkraft Kraft wrote:

Nasa Worldview is a good reference for this. It looks like the smoke has been blowing away from the Needles,

https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?p=geographic&l=VIIRS_SNPP_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Aqua_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor,Reference_Labels(opacity=0.51),Reference_Features(opacity=0.36),Coastlines&t=2017-09-11&z=3&v=240.48830121661982,35.67778175578938,242.12416547443232,36.53361671672688

But I'd be surprised if 190 is open. 

That's an awesome reference.

Here another current wind condition map. http://hint.fm/wind/  Click to zoom in.

Fat Dad · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 60

Marc,

21S50 is also the North Road, that leads to some trailheads north of the Quaking Aspen area.  The turn off for that is about 3 miles north of the Ponderosa.  I can tell you that where the fire is still progressing is on the east and south sides, or the sides closest to the Needles.  It's still not close as the crow flies, but the fire is still only 60% contained.  If the wind blows east, it will likely be very smoky.  Part of the fires continuing burn is that on the east side there are few roads and rough, vegetated terrain.  They've adopted a policy of building fire lines close to the one road in the area and waiting until the fire advances toward them.  Let's hope they dispatch this beast for good soon.  

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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