Smoking at the crag


20 kN · · Hawaii · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,348
Spencer Parkin wrote:

Yes, you have a right to smoke.

I am not sure that's really true. There is no law anywhere that says people have a legal right to smoke. There are minor stipulations here and there in the law regarding the location of designated smoking areas and the such, but easily the vast majority of smoking-related laws are in favor of the non-smokers, which makes a smoke-free atmosphere much more of a legal right than smoking.

Kevin MP · · Redmond, OR · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 193
Spencer Parkin wrote:

all I had to breath was poison air.  I could not escape to fresh air; I was on the sharp end.

Did you send?

Ty Falk · · Park City, UT · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 270

Hahaha honestly is this for real. Your gona make this thread then try to end it. 

I don't really see how on a multi pitch climb you had a constant smell of smoke. Once you get 30 ft off the deck your not going to be getting that much second hand smoke if any. In eight years of climbing outside I have never once smelled smoke of any kind once I was off the deck. I find it hard to believe that it actually affected you. 

Better or worse recreational drug use and alcohol have been part of the climbing scene for a long time. If you can't handle that please stay indoors at a gym where you can't eat, smoke or drink. Sounds like fun! 

djh860 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 110

The Op is a total crybaby

Tom Sherman · · Bristol, RI · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 416

Did anyone crack a "climbing at your limit on lead within 15 feet of the ground" joke yet?

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275

· · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 1970 · Points: 0
Ty Falk wrote:

Hahaha honestly is this for real. Your gona make this thread then try to end it. 

I don't really see how on a multi pitch climb you had a constant smell of smoke. Once you get 30 ft off the deck your not going to be getting that much second hand smoke if any. In eight years of climbing outside I have never once smelled smoke of any kind once I was off the deck. I find it hard to believe that it actually affected you. 

Better or worse recreational drug use and alcohol have been part of the climbing scene for a long time. If you can't handle that please stay indoors at a gym where you can't eat, smoke or drink. Sounds like fun! 

I never said I was climbing Pentapitch.  I was doing a climb called Jackelope around the bend.  The trail at the base curves around the bend and is quite steep.  Climbers up slope and at ground level are at eye level with me though I am 15ft off the deck.  The wind was not in my favor.

You people lack imagination.  There are an unimaginable number of ways that 2nd hand smoke can be blown all over to ruin one's outdoor experience, especially at a crag.

Furthermore, I don't climb at a high level, so I couldn't "out-run" the smoke, as some have suggested.  I was stalled at the crux.

We don't live in the 50s anymore folks.  Smoking has been banned from public places for a reason.  If I knew I would get fumigated on this climb, I simply would not have done it.  If you want to smoke around people in a public setting, where a damn astronaut helmet and smoke inside of it.  You'll get more tobacco that way.

In general, I am amazed at what people are willing to tolerate in terms of air pollution.  People needlessly idling their vehicles in winter parking lots are a good example.

And can we let go of who's desire is more important?  A courteous person is thinking more about others than themselves.  I gather many of you can't grasp that concept.

Ted Pinson · · Chicago, IL · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 190
20 kN wrote:

I am not sure that's really true. There is no law anywhere that says people have a legal right to smoke. There are minor stipulations here and there in the law regarding the location of designated smoking areas and the such, but easily the vast majority of smoking-related laws are in favor of the non-smokers, which makes a smoke-free atmosphere much more of a legal right than smoking.

Eh, most of the second-hand smoke laws are for closed spaces, and the general rule is you have a right to something unless it's specifically forbidden, although local/state laws vary widely and some places are much stricter.  I do think a strong argument could be made against smoking in public parks as part of burn-bans (a lot of forest fires are started by discarded cigarette butts), but it's practically unenforceable.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275

Spencer Parkin wrote:

I promise to leave this thread alone, but just wanted to end by saying...  I'm sorry for sowing any discord or contention on the intardweb...again.  I think in our day and age we could all do with a lot more tolerance, love and forgiveness.  I'm sorry I got on here to spew my bad feelings.

I'm going to look for a support group that can help me overcome my problem with posting crap on the internet.

"Hi, my name is Spencer."

"Hi, Spencer!"

"It's been 4 weeks since my last posting."

Applause.

You only made it eight hours before you posted again. It appears that you have relapsed, Spencer.

· · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 1970 · Points: 0
FrankPS wrote:

You only made it eight hours before you posted again. It appears that you have relapsed, Spencer.

I've hit rock bottom.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275
Spencer Parkin wrote:

I've hit rock bottom.

I hope you don't end up posting from Skid Row, Countless MP posters are helpless in the face of self-restraint (me, included). We're all rooting for you, Spencer. Dig deep and you can stop this death spiral of posting. Maybe. :)

· · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 1970 · Points: 0
FrankPS wrote:

I hope you don't end up posting from Skid Row, Countless MP posters are helpless in the face of self-restraint (me, included). We're all rooting for you, Spencer. Dig deep and you can stop this death spiral of posting. Maybe. :)

I need help.  Someone take my phone away...or cut my thumbs off...or cut my throat...

Ty Falk · · Park City, UT · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 270
Spencer Parkin wrote:

I never said I was climbing Pentapitch.  I was doing a climb called Jackelope around the bend.  The trail at the base curves around the bend and is quite steep.  Climbers up slope and at ground level are at eye level with me though I am 15ft off the deck.  The wind was not in my favor.

You people lack imagination.  There are an unimaginable number of ways that 2nd hand smoke can be blown all over to ruin one's outdoor experience, especially at a crag.

Furthermore, I don't climb at a high level, so I couldn't "out-run" the smoke, as some have suggested.  I was stalled at the crux.

We don't live in the 50s anymore folks.  Smoking has been banned from public places for a reason.  If I knew I would get fumigated on this climb, I simply would not have done it.  If you want to smoke around people in a public setting, where a damn astronaut helmet and smoke inside of it.  You'll get more tobacco that way.

In general, I am amazed at what people are willing to tolerate in terms of air pollution.  People needlessly idling their vehicles in winter parking lots are a good example.

And can we let go of who's desire is more important?  A courteous person is thinking more about others than themselves.  I gather many of you can't grasp that concept.

You actually did say you were at pentapitch. "So this is what happened to me today at Pentapitch" You are in bizarro world. 

s.price · · PS,CO · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 1,348

Spencer, are your parents named Vas and Ellenor? That would explain your low self esteem. 

trailridge · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 20

+10 for the OP being a cry baby.  If smoke offends you at the crag, stay indoors or just toughen up and realize that others have right to do what they want, including smoking.  I am having a hard time believing that you fell off due to smoke.  John Wayne would punch you in your face for being such a softie.   Toughen up buttercup   

· · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 1970 · Points: 0
Ty Falk wrote:

You actually did say you were at pentapitch. "So this is what happened to me today at Pentapitch" You are in bizarro world. Please stick to the climbing gyms. If that bother you I feel sorry for ya. You seam like the kind of person who goes around trying to push their ideas on others, not too dissimilar from the missionary's who countless times have tried to pushed there religion on me. You don't do that too do you?

Pentapitch is an area and a climb.

I'm sorry you feel I'm pushing my ideas on you.  Click to a different website, or don't read this thread.  Problem solved.

oldfattradguuy kk · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 170
Ty Falk wrote:

In eight years of climbing outside I have never once smelled smoke of any kind once I was off the deck. I find it hard to believe that it actually affected you. 

Better or worse recreational drug use and alcohol have been part of the climbing scene for a long time. 

This guy would know, he has been climbing outside for like 8 years!

· · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 1970 · Points: 0
trailridge wrote:

+10 for the OP being a cry baby.  If smoke offends you at the crag, stay indoors or just toughen up and realize that others have right to do what they want, including smoking.  I am having a hard time believing that you fell off due to smoke.  John Wayne would punch you in your face for being such a softie.   Toughen up buttercup   

I never said I fell off.  Where are you people getting all these ideas?

And that's right.  Everyone just has the right to do whatever they want.  That's how we all get along in a country of laws and ordinances.

If you see me at the crag, just shoot me and put me out of my misery.  It's your God-given right.

Eric Carlos · · Chattanooga, TN · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 40
Ty Falk wrote:

You actually did say you were at pentapitch. "So this is what happened to me today at Pentapitch" You are in bizarro world. 

"at Pentapitch" and "on Pentapitch" are different things.  https://www.mountainproject.com/v/jackalope-/113197432  Notice the area this climb is located in.

Old lady H · · Boise, Idaho · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 265
Dean Wright wrote:

OLH might chime in,   Then this thread should be terminated 

First, thread drift: sorry to see a closed account, Dean. I truly hate that. Much better for all of us to thrash it out.

Second thread drift: Spencer, stick with it anyway. You're coming off a bit of a princess on MP, but what the hey.

To the Original Post: sorry, a "whiff" isn't exactly huge. 

My question? What is wrong with this approach, sir?

Spencer: "Hey, man, mind moving it over? I have asthma (or whatever)

Dude/dudette: "Shit, man, sorry!!"

Did you simply say something? You never actually mention that, even though Ted implies it.

Best, OLH

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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