are you caring of the gradings?


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Aleks Zebastian · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175

climbing friend,

are you caring of the gradings your routes? Do you "just climb" for "fun" and you would not worry about progressing to next harder grade? Or would you develop eating disorder, obsessive training regime, and severe attachment to relentless quest for the improveing? So you may impress yourself and the others and maintain some identity to cling to?

It is quite funny yes to hear of many dedicated climber they are stating they "do not care" about grades and they "only climb" for "fun" or "inspiring routes." It sounds to me may I suggest, as the BS, since this same person has basically dedicated their own life, diet, free time, social life, lack of the sexual activity, etc., to improving at the climbing, and you may hear them shriek with joy as soon as they are sending their first 5.14 what have you?

I myownself am beliving the relentless quest for pushing of yourself and improvement is quite apparent as basic part of the "climbing," and I do enjoy myownself clinging to the identity of one whose guns are so sculpted they make michaelangelo look like the hack, and whose flash are so difficult and so bold they make your columbus adventuring across the sea look like the rubber duck in the bathtub, ha ha, ho ho.

all your flash are belong to me.

just follow your heart, that's what I do.

aaron hope · · Walnut Creek, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 295

I don't care about grades. But I do care about climbing routes that are inspiring. It turns out that many inspiring routes are hard. So I train. 

Mark E Dixon · · Sprezzatura, Someday · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 549

I heard Steph Davis on a podcast (Enormocast?) a couple of years ago and really liked her attitude.

To paraphrase, she said ticking a certain grade or goal route was like eating a cookie. 

Everybody likes cookies, but if that's all you care about, it isn't really sustainable long term.

Aleks Zebastian · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175
aaron hope wrote:

I don't care about grades. But I do care about climbing routes that are inspiring. It turns out that many inspiring routes are hard. So I train. 

climbing friend,

ho ho! It is merely only a "coincidence?" and you are not caring even one little bitty bit? perhaps you have utilized the climbing hold on every classic 5.8 multipitch in your country?

climbing friend Marqui D'sson,

I WANT TEH COOKIEZ!!!!! but your logic it is utilized in impeccable style, perhaps you may be wanting also at same time someother thing other than only teh cookiez?

Wilburn · · Cheyenne, WY · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 350

Climbing Friend,

The gradings of the routes are only a stick by to measure how much fabulous my finely scultped arm cannons and back meats have become. 

Aleks Zebastian · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175

climbing friend,

you are quite busy so you have to sculpt your guns at the office? 1001, 1002 ... do you hear me counting I do over 1000?


Hannah Spendlove · · Reno, NV · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 10

I think the important thing about climbing is that you do it for you, having a goal is healthy and natural. Frankly only climbing easy routes that are basically ladders might just not be fun so you climb harder routes for the entertainment... 

Mark E Dixon · · Sprezzatura, Someday · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 549
Aleks Zebastian wrote:

climbing friend Marqui D'sson,

I WANT TEH COOKIEZ!!!!! but your logic it is utilized in impeccable style, perhaps you may be wanting also at same time someother thing other than only teh cookiez?

You don't get to choose what you want (or what you like either.)

Fortunately for me, my climbing desires are broader, since I'm getting very few cookies these days.

But I still like cookies!!!

Old lady H · · Boise, Idaho · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 265
Aleks Zebastian wrote:

climbing friend,

are you caring of the gradings your routes? Do you "just climb" for "fun" and you would not worry about progressing to next harder grade? Or would you develop eating disorder, obsessive training regime, and severe attachment to relentless quest for the improveing? So you may impress yourself and the others and maintain some identity to cling to?

It is quite funny yes to hear of many dedicated climber they are stating they "do not care" about grades and they "only climb" for "fun" or "inspiring routes." It sounds to me may I suggest, as the BS, since this same person has basically dedicated their own life, diet, free time, social life, lack of the sexual activity, etc., to improving at the climbing, and you may hear them shriek with joy as soon as they are sending their first 5.14 what have you?

I myownself am beliving the relentless quest for pushing of yourself and improvement is quite apparent as basic part of the "climbing," and I do enjoy myownself clinging to the identity of one whose guns are so sculpted they make michaelangelo look like the hack, and whose flash are so difficult and so bold they make your columbus adventuring across the sea look like the rubber duck in the bathtub, ha ha, ho ho.

all your flash are belong to me.

just follow your heart, that's what I do.

YNMMV

Daniel Joder · · Boulder, CO · Joined Nov 2015 · Points: 0

The harder the grade you can climb, the more classic, beautiful, spectacular lines become available to you. My personal goal is to be able to climb up to 5.10a trad/sport on most kinds of rock/routes, in good style, and onsight (about where I was back in the late 70s before leaving the sport for 30 years). That would open up soooo many spectacular routes that I would be quite happy. Having said that, there are plenty of classic, beautiful lines no harder than 5.7. I love to climb those, too. If it is cool movement in a spectacular position, count me in. To me, then, climbing harder is really about gaining access to more climbing possibilities. And...since I am approaching 60, I need to get my butt in gear...the sun is starting to drop lower in the sky each year.

Wilburn · · Cheyenne, WY · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 350
Aleks Zebastian wrote:

climbing friend,

you are quite busy so you have to sculpt your guns at the office? 1001, 1002 ... do you hear me counting I do over 1000?


Climbing friend,

The place of work is less ideal for gun-sculpting protocol of mine. Best place is the college bar or climbing gym where many nearly naked ladies are so that I might count to over 1,000 in the home language without the shirt. Screaming is also good to be noticed. 

Cocoapuffs 1000 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2008 · Points: 10

I do care about grades, because they are an indicator of progress climbing ability.  Certainly they are not the only indicator, and obviously not all 5.11's (or 12's, or whatever) are created equal, but they do offer a metric of climbing ability.

That said, some of the routes I am most proud of doing were well below my hightest grade.

Aleks Zebastian · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175
Old lady H wrote:

YNMMV

climbing friend,

what is it this is standing for? 

You Never Make Me Very-happy?

Your Neck Meat Means Volumes?

Paul Hutton · · Dirtbaggin' western US · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 701

I struggle on 5.12a. I love seeing a steep overhang or ceiling with features that are easily visible from the ground. DWS. Crack systems. Arêtes. Dihedrals. Tufa. Knobs. I've been saying all year that I'm gonna send 5.13, but, I haven't been working in that direction. I've been onsighting hard 5.11s and easy 12s, usually because I'm drawn to steep climbing. I'm comfortable on it. I don't want to fail on it. I care so much about the endorphins it'll provide me to stick it out through the pain. But if I find a 5.13 that gnaws at my heart, be it good friction, fun movement, high exposure.  I love accomplishing things on rock enough that I'll be roped, solo, if I have to, to figure out how to navigate the moves. But to ruin my joints or risk a ground fall because of an R rating to say I'm a 5.13 climber. 

ViperScale · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2013 · Points: 235

I only climb even numbers. If the problem is an odd number I stay away from it because I can't climb it.

Old lady H · · Boise, Idaho · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 265
Aleks Zebastian wrote:

climbing friend,

what is it this is standing for? 

You Never Make Me Very-happy?

Your Neck Meat Means Volumes?

Your Neck Meat May Vary

Should that not be a standard disclaimer for your excellent helpful posts for us clueless whimpering weenies/weeniettes??

Best, the ever humbled and awed, OLH

Jake Jones · · Richmond, VA · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 1,430

I have more fun when I tick something I had to work hard for.  Not always, but that's usually the case.  

Patrik · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 30

I think there are four groups of climbers regarding their attitude towards gradings:

1) Climbers who honestly don't give a damn.

2) Climbers who must announce to half the world when they send a route with one letter grade higher than they have ever done.

3) Climbers who really enjoy high numbers, but easy climbing ("anti sandbagged"?).

4) Climbers who really enjoy being surprised by hard moves on easy numbers (sandbagged).


I am definitely in "camp 4" and I get really disappointed when a route rated 10b is really a 5.8. It is like seeing a delicious-looking cookie, but someone mistakenly mixed the sugar in the recipe with salt. There's nothing more delicious than being spanked on a 5.9+. I do have some trouble finding like-minded partners, so please get back to me if you have the same "crooked" mind as me.

Nivel Egres · · New York, NY · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 130
Aleks Zebastian wrote:

are you caring of the gradings your routes? Do you "just climb" for "fun" and you would not worry about progressing to next harder grade? Or would you develop eating disorder, obsessive training regime, and severe attachment to relentless quest for the improveing? 

How is climbing for fun and being good at it is a contradiction? I just climb for fun. Why else? There is no money or fame for me in this sport. Nobody going to care a tiny bit when a middle-aged fart finally sends his next project. But I want to get as good as I can. I train obsessively and my diet would make a ballerina cry. 

pkeds · · Redondo Beach, CA · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 30

I heard it's like eating fish heads and cheese steaks more than cookies.

johnnyrig · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 105

No. I started too old, I'm too fat, I have kids, and I like beer too much to give a shit about grades. For me the inspiration comes from simply not falling off a 4th class 15ft scramble for which I've roped up on a silent partner to my sadly comical death. That and getting my wife to climb with me more than once a year. I can turn the simplest of v-minus-10 problems into the most complicated spaghetti fests of cord with the mere flick of 10oz Stanley against the veritable schmorgasboard of needless pins that you ever couldn't possibly imagine from the sublimely simple and empirically elegant devils lake clusterfucks masterfully displayed herein.  Grades? No.  Grades just mean i shouldn't climb there, because ill simply be ridiculed for my lack of beanie, presence of shirt, excess gear, and complete dysfunctional misunderstanding of both climbing and the uber sanctimonious culture that goes with it. But I'm liking the warm pbrs, so I guess I got that going for me. 

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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