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is it me? Or do climbers suck?


Robert Michael · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2014 · Points: 152
Jack Servedio wrote:

In person, I've met only a handful of awful people who call themselves climbers. On the Internet, the whole lot of us are assholes.

Drunkposting. I suppose it's better than drunk driving, though.

Vignesh Radhakrishnan · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2017 · Points: 0

 No way! Most of my friends are through climbing. Wait, Do they suck? No!!

goingUp · · over here · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 30

Can you really trust that any of us are actually being objective?  You did come to a climbing site to ask US if we are the problem? If we are all in fact narcissistic, douche-nozzles, then we are certainly going to do nothing but put into words whatever is required to gain your trust about how awesome, accepting and socially cool we are.  Only to let you down again in person.  or maybe that makes up sociopaths... whichever.

I hear you tho, It is mo' betta going out with friends of the same heart and mind, who enjoy the experience, which is certainly better when you are on the same page.  They exist.

I wouldnt dump your current partners too harshly.  If they are safe and you trust them, you always want the option to get back out when no one else is answering the phone.  Who cares what they are saying when they are on the other end of the rope.  Unless its, "take", "slack", "rock" or "off belay".

Andrew R · · Arizony · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 3,797

Climbers act like assholes more often than we want to admit. Being obnoxious and loud, littering, acting entitled to public spaces, bolting and landscaping where we shouldn't, disrespecting wilderness and wildlife. Which is to say nothing of poor etiquette, egotism, and narcissism within the climbing community. Many of my best friends are climbers. Some of the best people I know climb and I am grateful to have this community. But most of us have been self-absorbed unaware shitheads from time to time and it's uncomfortable to recognize that the sport can bring out the worst of us, too. 


michelle w · · las vegas, nv · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 0
goingUp wrote:

Can you really trust that any of us are actually being objective?  You did come to a climbing site to ask US if we are the problem? If we are all in fact narcissistic, douche-nozzles, then we are certainly going to do nothing but put into words whatever is required to gain your trust about how awesome, accepting and socially cool we are.  Only to let you down again in person.  or maybe that makes up sociopaths... whichever.

I hear you tho, It is mo' betta going out with friends of the same heart and mind, who enjoy the experience, which is certainly better when you are on the same page.  They exist.

I wouldnt dump your current partners too harshly.  If they are safe and you trust them, you always want the option to get back out when no one else is answering the phone.  Who cares what they are saying when they are on the other end of the rope.  Unless its, "take", "slack", "rock" or "off belay".


michelle w · · las vegas, nv · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 0

Lol! Good point. 

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 11,365

You know what kind of people are really great? Dumb people. Seriously, fuckin heart of gold them folks. Never do ya wrong and talk with respect to everyone, including jerk-off climbers.

Climbers are elite intellectual pissants because they participating in an elite activity that's off limits to those who just can't bring themselves to speak their mind and roll out all the filth inside. Be proud that you are a climber because, gosh darn it, you are better than everyone else.

And please quit your bitching, no room for your kind here.

Mae Rae · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 20

this thread needs more memes

michelle w · · las vegas, nv · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 0
Dave Kos wrote:

this thread needs more memes

What is a memes? I have thought of being a jerk to some but couldn't bring myself to do it.

Bob . · · lyons, co · Joined May 2012 · Points: 10

Meh, I used to think that because someone's a climber, they must be OK.  I quickly realized we are all just a bunch of assholes like the rest of society.

goingUp · · over here · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 30
Matthew Navarro · · Yucca Valley, CA · Joined May 2011 · Points: 10
michelle w wrote:

I really like climbing. On the other hand I have come to the fact that 98% percent of climbers suck. Its all about them. What happen to sharing an experience? Why does your opinion matter more? Who the hell are you? Nobody... just like me so get off your high horse. 

Two Reasons; You either hang out at a gym where people climb for exercise and haven't discovered themselves through the art of movement or you simply hang out with too many boulderers...

Big B · · Sin City, NV · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 1

Michelle,

it looks like you live here in #sendcitynotsincity... which generally promotes self absorbed douchebaginess ...but there are some people that live here who are nice.... maybe look up jersey girl or cassondra  here on mp both are great ladies and more than likely would be willing to climb with you(I'm assuming here), and let you lead or teach you how to lead, pick areas, routes, etc..

BigNobody · · all over, mostly Utah · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 10

Michelle, it's been that way for decades. My theory :  it's because most of us were never good at anything else. And somehow we think climbing makes us cognizant, better human beings, because we support companies like Patagonia, and because we are so much more in tune with nature than Jim Bob in the cubicle over. The cure for cancer still isn't at the chains people.

JAtkinson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2013 · Points: 916

prollly cause ur in vegas


SMarsh · · NY, NY · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 0

Climbers, as RGold has said, can be wonderful, selfless people.  He's a good example himself.

But climbers are all different in their goals, hopes and limitations.

How do you find your partners, Michelle?  Does someone at the gym say, "I'm going to climb at RR tomorrow?  You want to go?"  Do you then say, "Yes."  And do they then tell you where to meet them or how they will pick you up?

Or do you go further into the conversation and ask them about what level they want to climb, how they intend to pick climbs, who else is coming and all other sorts of clues about what the day will be like?  Do you tell them what you want and ask them if it fits their plans for the day?

I recommend that you try to take more control over your choices of partners.  The discussion before climbing can tell you whether you fit in with that person, on that day, on that trip. Even people who are really, really generally compatible are not compatible on every trip and every climbing day.

It's easier on you if you have a target of what you want to do and communicate those expectations before you get out for the day.  If the conversation proves that you're not going to get what you want, then you can politely bow out.  (Oh, I need to go to my mom's ...or I need to work that day ... or I am feeling really beat and will try to join you some other day.)

At my gym, there are some folk that I would be happy to go outdoors with.  But based on indoor experience, I'm sure that certain people and I would not mesh outdoors at all.

goingUp · · over here · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 30
SMarsh wrote:

 If the conversation proves that you're not going to get what you want, then you can politely bow out.  (Oh, I need to go to my mom's ...or I need to work that day ... or I am feeling really beat and will try to join you some other day)

Although I am completely guilty of this as well, if one is looking for openness and honesty, you could even tell them the truth, of "that plan sounds good, but doesnt mesh with my objectives, style or plan, lets find another day to find something that fits both of us", or "ill gladly be your belay bitch on that route if we can get on x as well", 

I respect people who tell me No to my face more than people who blow smoke or flake.

SMarsh · · NY, NY · Joined Sep 2013 · Points: 0

GoingUp, I agree entirely.

I'd rather that.  But I do know folk, often women, who are uncomfortable with clearly stating that something isn't what they want.  Sadly.  It's not a great relationship-builder.

And I least like people who agree to meet and then disappear.

cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
TomCaldwell · · Clemson, S.C. · Joined Jun 2009 · Points: 2,791

Lots of "thirsty" climbers in Vegas? I imagine this is the case with most high profile climbing areas. Maybe they were just trying to impress you with their resume. I've had a local Vegas climber tell me that people there suck, but he was closely tied to the entertainment/casino industry. I wouldn't be surprise if Sin City created an environment where people aren't as genuine. Quality partners are out there, but they probably already have their regular partners.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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