Dmm dragon 2

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Kevin Kelley · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 0

I'm thinking about buying my first trad rack and am interested in the dmm dragon 2s. Everyone in my area uses BD but there seems to be a lot o benefits of the dmms over the c4. 

Any recommendations? 

Max Rausch · · Monterey, California · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 75

I own both the older dragons and the newer dragons in purple, green and red- (Equivalent to BD #.5,.75, 1) The rest of my rack is mostly C4's and X4's. I wouldn't say they're leaps and bounds better than C4's, but definitely comparable. I find that the lack of thumb loop makes it easier to drop while being placed. The extendable slings were really the selling point for me. The only issue is that you have to extend them a certain way, or else the rubber stitch covering will get chocked into the thumb loop eyelets. I got used to this fairly quickly. I also feel that the springs are slightly looser than C4's causing them to walk more often. Lastly, the lack of thumb loop also makes aid climbing, or even French free'ing more difficult. 

All that being said, I've whipped on them several times without issue! I enjoy having them as doubles to my C4's.

David Deville · · Flagstaff, Arizona · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 10

The slings on the C4s will last longer. I'd go with w/e is cheaper. The new WC cams have the extendible sling and thumb loops, but it's usually easier to get a deal on BD cams. I'd say that dragon 2s, c4s and new friends are all pretty much interchangeable.

Matt Himmelstein · · Orange, California · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 95

I have both on my rack and use them interchangably.  The DMMs do have an extendable sling, but I don't find myself in many situations where I need the extra bit of webbing.  They are virtually the same expansion range and they use the same color scheme, so racking them is easy.

Ronald B · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 0

I have a full rack of them. I use the extension feature a lot. Otherwise find them very similar to the C4s that all my climbing partners use.

bkozak · · Sterling, VA · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 20

If you typically use a quickdraw on the Camalot sling to prevent walking and minor drag, then the extendable sling is absolutely worth it.  Not having to carry those extra quickdraws saves A LOT of weight.  I personally love mine for that reason and they are my preferred cams for single pitch.  

That being said, if you only have 1 set of cams, I won't recommend them over Camalots unless you can get them for a good deal.  Camalots are cheaper here in the US and I cannot say anything bad about them, because they are awesome too.  IMO, Dragons are a perfect second set of cams to go along with Camalots.

Soulless Ginger · · San bernardino · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0

you should get what you like, not what other people are using in your area. dragons are definitely quality cams.

that being said i prefer the c4s for two reasons: extendable slings suck for the follower, seriously....its annoying. Im really hoping black diamond doesn't follow this current trend and keeps their slings the way they are. and secondly, like people have said having a thumb loop is amazing. can't imagine not having one.

Marc-Olivier Chabot · · Gatineau, QC · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 0

Dragon for extendable sling and grip. Weight saving. Make price into US$ in top left.

skye bacus · · Lakewood, CO · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 40

I have a single rack of BD C4s and single rack dmm dragon 2. I really love the extendable slings for wandering routes. I also really love the increased surface area on the lobes and the raw machined finish. They are very gratifying to place. 

Pavel Burov · · Russia · Joined May 2013 · Points: 25

Dragon 2 pros over C4:

* Lower bulk.

* Attract crowds attention :)

* A tiny bit better grip at slick rock.

C4 pros over Dragon 2:

* Cheap.

If one fails on a trad route it is not due to C4s over Dragons 2 or vice versa preference.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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