Troll Patrol


Original Post
grog m aka Greg McKee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 0

Hello MP amigos. I want to throw out some thoughts on trolling. We see more beginners joining our community on MP every day. Many of them have simple questions and requests that appear to be trolling and the troll patrol is quick to respond and cry troll.This is not a welcome response to new people who genuinely want to get involved. Or they aren't sure if the youtube video they saw is reliable information.

 

Troll-ing is an important part of Mountain Project. As long as there are forums there will be trolling. It is humorous, can generate some good discussion, and can remind people that they are mortal. But, before we cry troll we should look at a few aspects of the post. Trolling typically involves getting a reaction out of someone - and noob trolls usually try to elicit anger. If it is just a question that seems really dumb there is a good chance it isn't a troll. Especially if they follow up thanking people or asking more questions. A troll's follow up post will usually attempt to fan the flames and fuel the fire so to speak.Error on the side of not a troll, despite how absurd the comment/question is.

 

If you want to drop the hammer on someone save it for an older user. There are plenty of opinions and personalities on here that can take it. Noob's first posts shouldn't be subjected to MP troll patrol. 

user id · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 60

Oh Man! If ever there was a time i wanted to tell someone to STFUAD!

Vas Carmicheal · · Mexican Hat, UT · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 0

Nice Gimmick.

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 10,980

This thread is clearly a troll. I'm sad I didn't think of it first.

David Kerkeslager · · Brooklyn, NY · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 30
grog m aka Greg McKee wrote:

Hello MP amigos. I want to throw out some thoughts on trolling. We see more beginners joining our community on MP every day. Many of them have simple questions and requests that appear to be trolling and the troll patrol is quick to respond and cry troll.This is not a welcome response to new people who genuinely want to get involved. Or they aren't sure if the youtube video they saw is reliable information.

 

Troll-ing is an important part of Mountain Project. As long as there are forums there will be trolling. It is humorous, can generate some good discussion, and can remind people that they are mortal. But, before we cry troll we should look at a few aspects of the post. Trolling typically involves getting a reaction out of someone - and noob trolls usually try to elicit anger. If it is just a question that seems really dumb there is a good chance it isn't a troll. Especially if they follow up thanking people or asking more questions. A troll's follow up post will usually attempt to fan the flames and fuel the fire so to speak.Error on the side of not a troll, despite how absurd the comment/question is.

 

If you want to drop the hammer on someone save it for an older user. There are plenty of opinions and personalities on here that can take it. Noob's first posts shouldn't be subjected to MP troll patrol. 

Are you trolling?

johnnyrig · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 65

Yeah, snarky responses to new users kind of violate rule one. It's why i don't keep tic marks or post routes anymore. Mostly i just come here to shop and add the occasional f.u. post. Be nice to the noobs. The trolls will reveal themselves in due time. 

Chris Walden · · Soldotna, Alaska · Joined Aug 2014 · Points: 545

Funny the OP has a great point, I have the thought the same thing, and it's sad the first handful of responses are what they are.  When I pop on here I try and make it a point to share something useful.  We have all seen the threads where someone new asks a question and they get skewered -- it's not very helpful and just promotes bad mojo.  Just be nice I like to say... 

grog m aka Greg McKee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 0

user id - easy to tell me STFU and die when you are anonymous. No way you would say that to my face. Coward. 

Vas - you are the troll lord. But I like your material and I think it generates good discussion. 

Johnny and Chris - agreed

Politically Correct Ball · · From WA to AZ · Joined Dec 2016 · Points: 0

Maybe newbies should lurk moar

llanSan · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2014 · Points: 0

Has someone seen my glasses? I left them at the crag.

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 10,980

In all seriousness I agree with the OP but people gotta learn to grow a thick skin for not only these forums but also for life. If it's a rude comment, ignore it and/or flag it and move on.

Big B · · Sin City, NV · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 0
llanSan wrote:

Has someone seen my glasses? I left them at the crag.

No but I found a fingertip

Dustin B · · Steamboat · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 1,065

Ok, so I've been wanting to get into SOLO climbing, and I've got a few solo TR setups I'd like you all to critique...

David Kerkeslager · · Brooklyn, NY · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 30
Dustin B wrote:

Ok, so I've been wanting to get into SOLO climbing, and I've got a few solo TR setups I'd like you all to critique...

Yer gonna die.

gregmiller7 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 395

#loser

Fehim Hasecic · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 40

Said the guy who got caught trolling...

kevin deweese · · Oakland, Ca · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 200

So in your world, an older user will troll from their established account instead of creating a new account to troll from in "gasp" their first post under that new account? (ok, ok, ok, we all know a proper troll will make a few posts here and there and then troll, but we'll ignore that for the sake of a snarky argument) 

The reality is that people don't attack a new posting member because they're asking a stupid question, hell, we egotistic types love answering the same question over and over if it makes us feel all smart and stuff, but it's the questions that show absolutely no ability to search for that info first that get under people's skin. And let's be serious, we are involved in a sport where the number one way to stay safe is to be self-reliant. For a newbie to just say "feed me info, i don't want to figure it out myself or show what I've found already" means that actually helping them would be hurting them because how are they going to learn to analyse information rather than simply blindly trusting information? Hell, that's why most of these threads will be a few posts with the answer and then a million posts of people attempting to explain every outlier situation where using the correct answer would be dangerous. We don't need to do this if the questioning climber is involved enough in their systems and understandings that these outlier situations would be easy enough to figure out. Even worse, it's actually these additional explanations that can get a new climber in trouble because they don't have the experience to discern when to use wat and tend to confuse what is for 90% of the time and what is for 1% of the time. 

TL:DR Answering easily researched noob questions that have been answered ad nauseum actually makes these new climbers counter-intuitively less safe. 

It's not our fault that new members literally follow the troll playbook in their posts and new trollers literally follow the new member playbook in their posts. 

kevin deweese · · Oakland, Ca · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 200
Dustin B wrote:

Ok, so I'm going to get into SOLO LEAD climbing, and I've got a few SOLO TR setups I'm planning on using...

FIFY

Nick Drake · · Newcastle, WA · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 438
kevin deweese wrote:

The reality is that people don't attack a new posting member because they're asking a stupid question, hell, we egotistic types love answering the same question over and over if it makes us feel all smart and stuff, but it's the questions that show absolutely no ability to search for that info first that get under people's skin. And let's be serious, we are involved in a sport where the number one way to stay safe is to be self-reliant.  

Nailed it. I'll spray about gear and shit all day long, because I enjoy spraying. However when someone comes on here and has clearly made ZERO attempt to do anything I get pissed. I'm not the google search box. Asking questions is great, asking to be spoon fed information is insulting to everyone else. It also shows that critical thought regarding what advice is given will not be used by the poster. 

johnnyrig · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 65

John Barritt · · OKC · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 888
Big B wrote:

No but I found a fingertip

That's funny right there! Greg, don't fall for the. trap! JB

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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