To the local asshole who marred Glitter Gulch


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Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 410

What gave you the right to spray the fact that you think that Glitter Gulch is "10.c" (btw I think you means 5.10c) by defacing the start of the climb by writing the grade on it? If you want to call it 5.10c than do so here, NOT on the rock itself. Not only is it an eyesore, it might be dangerous to a new 10c leader. I was told this one done by a local and IF that's true, it saddens me deeply; IMHO It's unethical and pompous. 

BigB · · Red Rock, NV · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 340

Aren't u supposed to be a coupla pitches up ginger cracks by now?!?....... ;)

btw .... completely agree with you , not sure what possess's people to carry spray paint into such beautiful areas ....

Nicholas Gillman · · Las Vegas · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 331

Do you have a picture? Like was is actually spray painted on the wall of is that just reading to much into it? 

Roy Suggett · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 6,415

Well said JG!

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 410

I didnt take a picture nor said it was spray painted. But since when is it ok for community members to write ANYTHING on our rocks? If you don't like the way a climb is graded does any single person have the right to write the new grade on the climb itself?  It's unethical and dangerous to a leader breaking into that grade. And it's disgusting to  think a climber would would do this in an area that doesn't promote this ( unless we now are promoting this)  I get in some areas it's acceptable to write the name of the climb/grade at its base...but is this now acceptable practice here at RR?( rhetorical obviously)

John Barritt · · OKC · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 1,053

OK, I'll bite.........What was it written with? JB

Brassmonkey · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 115

I agree, my least favorite is when people have drawn animals and people with clearly no artistic skill at all.  I always try to wash them off when I find them.  

Ones like these:

Brassmonkey · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 115

And I'm guessing it was chalk...

simplyput · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 60

What was it written with?

There might be an easy solution.

Nicholas Gillman · · Las Vegas · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 331
jersey girl wrote:

I didnt take a picture nor said it was spray painted. But since when is it ok for community members to write ANYTHING on our rocks? If you don't like the way a climb is graded does any single person have the right to write the new grade on the climb itself?  It's unethical and dangerous to a leader breaking into that grade. And it's disgusting to  think a climber would would do this in an area that doesn't promote this ( unless we now are promoting this)  I get in some areas it's acceptable to write the name of the climb/grade at its base...but is this now acceptable practice here at RR?( rhetorical obviously)

I asked if it was spray paint because in your first post you said "spray" and Big B said "spray paint" ... I didn't know if he misinterpreted you meaning or if he was expanding on it cause he had seen it aswell ... idk that's why I asked.

So what was it written with ? Chalk ? Did they use a marker or like scratch it into the rock or something? 

Tim Lutz · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 5

'local asshole' is a great name for a route

chalk is the holy sauce of the climbing world: it can do no wrong

cover a route in the stuff and it is 'ethical', despite being an eyesore to everyone else

but one comfortized hold: SATAN!

John Barritt · · OKC · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 1,053

^^^^^^^^Attempted thread drift^^^^^^^^^^

;)

Brassmonkey · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 115

I wonder if the Native Americans who drew petroglyphs were considered graffiti artists back in the day and were looked down upon, forced to create many of their renderings in caves and overhangs, not far from the current graffiti trends.

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 410
Nicholas Gillman wrote:

So what was it written with ? Chalk ? Did they use a marker or like scratch it into the rock or something? 

jmmlol · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 0
Brassmonkey wrote:

I wonder if the Native Americans who drew petroglyphs were considered graffiti artists back in the day and were looked down upon, forced to create many of their renderings in caves and overhangs, not far from the current graffiti trends.

Pretty sure they were just bored. The Hueco masks are probably the ancient equivalent to a street artist drawing caricatures. If you look up what the graffiti in Pompeii means, you'll see that people haven't changed.

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 410
jersey girl wrote:

I think my point is being lost- it's not WHAT it was written with , it's the fact that some asshole took it upon his or herself to writ anything at all. And it was likely 2 assholes- since 10.d also written was crossed out. I don't think this is funny as some others in this thread are making it out to be. I honestly think it's flat out rude and dangerous. I differ with the grades of climbs a ton, but I don't take it upon myself to write what I THNIK a grade of a climb should be at the base of a climb. What I do is post my OPINION here. Many people think Glitter Guch is soft- I get it- but whether you think that or not, writing what you think the grade should be on the rock by the base of the climb, when you're not the FA of the route, is IMHO unethical. It could be written in chalk, marker, or etched in- it really doens't matter- it's the ethics of actually DOING it that I think we should be discussing, not what  manner they chose to do it in. Or maybe I don't understand the ethics of climbing anymore- to be good stewards of the natural land in which we are fortunate to climb. 

jmmlol · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2016 · Points: 0

So what was it written with?

Addem Bursh · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 845

Hey Jersey Girl.



So what was it written with?!?

Leslie McG · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 410

Hmmm, and climbing guys wonder why girls have their own festivals these days? Oh wait, that's a whole different subject to bring up but not really talk about! When I go back today I will make sure to take a picture and not post it, for all of you who don't seem to care!

The Beagle · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 5

jersey girl wrote:

Hmmm, and climbing guys wonder why girls have their own festivals these days? Oh wait, that's a whole different subject to bring up but not really talk about! When I go back today I will make sure to take a picture and not post it, for all of you who don't seem to care!




Sounds to me like you are continuing to dodge the question. If it's chalk, it's lame but not some atrocity. Even if it is spraypaint, fucking lame, but par for the course.

Expecting to have a wilderness experience sport cragging at Red Rock is akin to expecting romance out of something you could watch on PornHub.
PaulMudd · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 5

Is this it?...

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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