DIY reslinging of cams


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Old lady H · · Boise, Idaho · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 120

I have had a very generous gift arrive in the mail! 

These venerable cams are great, but I know I need to replace the slings. Webbing? Cord? Just stuff a sling in there? How much length should I allow?

Pics would help, please, if there is much to it at all. 

Thanks! Helen

Michael Schneider · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 85
Old lady H wrote:

I have had a very generous gift arrive in the mail! 

These venerable cams are great, but I know I need to replace the slings. Webbing? Cord? Just stuff a sling in there? How much length should I allow?

Pics would help, please, if there is much to it at all. 

Thanks! Helen

I'm gonna take some heat for this but  . . . . .  

The slings look pristine, they are not beyond what you will be using them for. The silly need to spend (and have new) should be predicated on thoughtful observation. No cuts, No fuzzy spots, looks and FEELs soft but firm , it is fine.

sure that is old nylon, that stuff is the beefy (no longer made?) it is STILL, strong enough.  So No ! You do not need*  to replace those slings, it is so overkill.

Now that red tape on the #1(?) the TIE'D one? (Maybe, get it sewn by Yates ,). .  . or double fisher-mans with longer tails.

Old lady H · · Boise, Idaho · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 120
Michael Schneider wrote:

I'm gonna take some heat for this but  . . . . .  

The slings look pristine, they are not beyond what you will be using them for. The silly need to spend (and have new) should be predicated on thoughtful observation. No cuts, No fuzzy spots, looks and FEELs soft but firm , it is fine.

sure that is old nylon, that stuff is the beefy no longer made , it is nearly strong enough to hold a small car Q

No ! You do not need to replace those slings, it is so overkill the TIE'D one? Okay get it sown, or double fisher-mans with longer tails.

Sir, my benefactor, with a huge amount of experience, asked me to replace the slings on the cams, for anything more than a bounce test. Once in awhile, I do listen, ya know!

Best, Helen

Michael Schneider · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 85

Please if you do listen ? 

Then ask around you are going to be spending $ for no reason other than what is the prescribed warning anyone giving away 30yr old gear would say, that does not make it a must. You can tie your own using double fishermans or The Fancy , harder to tie, 'doubled' (passed thru-each knot) double water knot

handle that small blue cam carefully they were best when paired with another cam, it was one of the 1st small 4 cam unit.

As per using cord, you have to Always*  check the knot.  A triple fisher-mans is a bulky knot that Still needs to be checked every time - before, during* and after climbing.  

So I go with the less 'in the way' double fisher-mans. But always check my knots.

Micah McCrotty · · Knoxville · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 546

I have some old rigid stem friends and I used 5mm cord on them when I replaced the old webbing.  Sweet gift!

eli poss · · Durango, Co · Joined May 2014 · Points: 136

I wouldn't replace the old webbing if it felt and looked fine. I would however, untie the water knot and do a double fishy so you never have to worry about the tails creeping. Water knots are for slings that are meant to be tied and untied. If you're gonna leave it tied until you cut it out to replace it then there's no reason to use a water knot.

Cheap accessory cord, 6-8mm, tied with a double fishy or flemish bend. Length is a personal preference. For those cams, I would suggest making a short and a long clip in point  in the sling by tying an overhand/fig 8 on a bight in the sling, just in case you ever end up using them for aid. For the old forged friend, I would go with a gunks tie off. 

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0
eli poss wrote:For the old forged friend, I would go with a gunks tie off. 

For Helen's benefit: the Gunks has thousands of horizontal cracks. Sometimes they are a bit shallow and the rigid stem cams will stick out. The Gunks tie off put the accessory cord through one of the lightening holes in addition to or in place of the main attachment hole at the bottom of the stem. This is done to reduce leverage and maybe prevent the stem from bending. All the cams in Michael's last photo are slung with a Gunks tie off:

Photo: Michael Schneider

John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,500

It's likely no company would re-sling those cams- I know that Yates won't re-sling anything older than 10 years, and neither will Metolius or BD (I believe). 

You'll likely have to make due with either tied sling or cord if you choose to keep those cams. 

Micah McCrotty · · Knoxville · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 546

John Wilder, 

Did Yates change this policy recently?  A little over a year ago I had 4 of my old pre-thumbloop camalots reslung with them.  Am I out of the loop? (pun intended).

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0
Micah McCrotty wrote:

John Wilder, 

Did Yates change this policy recently?  A little over a year ago I had 4 of my old pre-thumbloop camalots reslung with them.  Am I out of the loop? (pun intended).

From the Yates web site (below). What I find very curious is they say not older than 10 years, but in the last sentence they leave age determination up to the customer.

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IMPORTANT NOTE:

We will no longer be able to resling cams older than 10 years.  Yates Gear reserves the right to decline reslinging of any cams we feel are unsafe because of there condition of use. (ie. Please do not send us cams that are used up and thrashed!) It will be up to the customer to determine the age and condition of their cams before sending them in to us. 

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John Wilder · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Feb 2004 · Points: 1,500

As far as I'm aware, thats always been their policy. That said, the last sentence obviously is an out for them on that one, as I suspect that most people who use their services have cams older than that. 

Old lady H · · Boise, Idaho · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 120
Marc801 C wrote:

For Helen's benefit: the Gunks has thousands of horizontal cracks. Sometimes they are a bit shallow and the rigid stem cams will stick out. The Gunks tie off put the accessory cord through one of the lightening holes in addition to or in place of the main attachment hole at the bottom of the stem. This is done to reduce leverage and maybe prevent the stem from bending. All the cams in Michael's last photo are slung with a Gunks tie off:

Photo: Michael Schneider

Ah!!! The squirrels were rootling for this! I knew there was mention of tieing rigid stem cams way up the stem, for horizontals, some thread somewhere, but that was about it....

All, I have various bits and pieces of accessory cord, so I'll Gunk's the rigid cam, at least, and take a careful look at the others.

I might be hauling the works out tomorrow (my stoppers and micros too) depending on weather, to see what I can do with it.

Thanks, everyone! Wish I could drift off someplace fun, like the thread did!

Best, Helen

Burcheydawwwwwwg · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 375
Michael Schneider wrote:

I'm gonna take some heat for this but  . . . . .  

The slings look pristine, they are not beyond what you will be using them for. The silly need to spend (and have new) should be predicated on thoughtful observation. No cuts, No fuzzy spots, looks and FEELs soft but firm , it is fine.

sure that is old nylon, that stuff is the beefy (no longer made?) it is STILL, strong enough.  So No ! You do not need*  to replace those slings, it is so overkill.

Now that red tape on the #1(?) the TIE'D one? (Maybe, get it sewn by Yates ,). .  . or double fisher-mans with longer tails.

Helen, before you take too much good advice, bear in mind the source.  From the same guy over at ST - not sure the particular poison of choice, but it's a good one.

 

Burcheydawwwwwwg · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 375
eli poss wrote:

mmmm, quality trolling. Burchey, who let you in here? I thought you were banished to the taco.

Haha, I'm not banished anywhere, as far as I know.  I've been put on hold once here.  I'll probably get put on hold again soon, that's how it tends to go.  I got blown out at the taco before for mentioning that this same cat is always alluding to his affinity for young ladies...if you get my drift.  Strange how they let the guy making the questionable statements stay, but remove me for quoting his posts and going "huH???"   Good times in the logic-void.

Andrewww · · Concord, NH · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 110

Hey Helen, like others said you can tie them off yourself. I would recommend using titan cord and a triple fisherman's if you go that route. Regular accessory cord is rated much lower than titan cord. 

Ryan Hamilton · · Orem · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 0
Andrewww wrote:

Hey Helen, like others said you can tie them off yourself. I would recommend using titan cord and a triple fisherman's if you go that route. Regular accessory cord is rated much lower than titan cord. 

If you do that, make sure that you check the knots each time you go out. Titan cord is stiff and slippery and known to have the dual combination problem of knots coming loose or being REALLY hard to untie. Triple fisherman for sure. 

Tom Powell · · Rawlins, Wyoming · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 55

I think Mountain Tools might resling those. Give them a call.

John Barritt · · OKC · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 888

Okie engineering, buy sewn dyneema slings. Install so.......JB

John Barritt · · OKC · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 888

Option two....

amockalypsenow · · San Diego · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 330

Is it possible that the slings are fine, and the person that gave you those cams doth insist you resling them to reduce his personal liability?

I'm not saying what's correct here, but there is some info online about testing old non-uv blasted nylon to failure, and it proves to be stout stuff even after many years.

Old lady H · · Boise, Idaho · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 120

Okay, this is stupid, but, I don't know just what cord I have (leftovers from my son tieing my prussiks, Purcell's, etc.). Any way to tell what they are from a pic? 

Thanks again, all!

Best, Helen

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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