Anyone ever use Ballistol on their guns?


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Chicken Adobo · · Yakima, WA · Joined Mar 2017 · Points: 0

Im about to clean my Camalots and Mastercams. I use Ballistol for a lot of different applications. Just wanted to see if anyone else uses it for cam maintenance. 

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Chicken Adobo wrote:

Im about to clean my Camalots and Mastercams. I use Ballistol for a lot of different applications. Just wanted to see if anyone else uses it for cam maintenance. 

Had to look it up. It leaves an oil film. You do not want that on your cams since it will just attract dirt. 

Wash them in water, dry, then apply a *wax or teflon based* cam lubricant.

Nathan W. · · Sequoia NP, CA · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 793

I use it on my SKS, but i wouldn't use it on my cams. I'd agree with Marc801 Chrusch.

Joshua Dee · · San Diego, CA · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 30

Spend the $5 on cam lube 

Creed A · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 740

I think bike chain lube is the same stuff as cam lube. 

Ryan Hamilton · · Orem · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 20
Creed A wrote:

I think bike chain lube is the same stuff as cam lube. 

Yes, if it's the wax kind. There are wet (oil based)bike chain lubes, for use in wetter climates.

coldfinger · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 55

Big issue is every CLP has a solvent (to removed baked carbon, lead etc.) and a solvent is the last thing you want around climbing gear.

A lot of folks don't realize that its not just the oil (which can be corrosive to nylon), but also the solvent (which IS corrosive to nylon) that makes this class of chemical cleaner hazardous.  

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
coldfinger wrote:

Big issue is every CLP has a solvent (to removed baked carbon, lead etc.) and a solvent is the last thing you want around climbing gear.

A lot of folks don't realize that its not just the oil (which can be corrosive to nylon), but also the solvent (which IS corrosive to nylon) that makes this class of chemical cleaner hazardous.  

Totally depends on which solvent - not all affect nylon. Recall that the most powerful solvent in the world is water. Oil and gas have no effect on nylon, so no, the oil in those products doesn't "corrode" nylon - it just attracts dirt. 

coldfinger · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 55
Marc801 C wrote:

Totally depends on which solvent - not all affect nylon. Recall that the most powerful solvent in the world is water. Oil and gas have no effect on nylon, so no, the oil in those products doesn't "corrode" nylon - it just attracts dirt

Where did you get your info? 

Water is the most powerful solvent? 

Oil and gas?  So I guess it's ok to get motor oil on a climbing rope?

Ballistol: "Caution should be used when using Ballistol on soft and/or non-oil resistant plastics."

Point that was being missed here was CLP is not just a lubricant. 

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
coldfinger wrote:

Where did you get your info? 

Water is the most powerful solvent? 

Oil and gas?  So I guess it's ok to get motor oil on a climbing rope?

Ballistol: "Caution should be used when using Ballistol on soft and/or non-oil resistant plastics."

Point that was being missed here was CLP is not just a lubricant. 

Motor oil and gasoline have no effect on nylon other than making that spot a dirt magnet.

https://www.calpaclab.com/nylon-chemical-compatibility-chart/   <- one of many such tables on the net

Yes, water will eventually break down anything on the planet. Just remember that thermodynamics determines if a chemical equation is possible, kinetics tells you if it will happen before next Tuesday or in 200M years. A bit facetious, yes, but was used to illustrate that just because something is a "solvent" doesn't necessarily mean it represents a danger to a particular item.

T Roper · · DC,VA,NM,UT,CT,MA · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 860

One Shot gun cleaner/lube has been good to my cams

coldfinger · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 55

Gee....

Motor oil has no effect on nylon? 

Try calling a rope manufacturer and seeing what they have to say on that.

As for cams.... I know BD doesn't recommend using any degreasing solvent or oil based lubricant due to the effect on the nylon slings.

I really don't know why you'd have to use gun cleaner on a cam anyway.  No leading, copper fouling or propellant residue there!

Gunkiemike · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 2,755
coldfinger wrote:

Gee....

Motor oil has no effect on nylon? 

Try calling a rope manufacturer and seeing what they have to say on that.

As for cams.... I know BD doesn't recommend using any degreasing solvent or oil based lubricant due to the effect on the nylon slings.

I really don't know why you'd have to use gun cleaner on a cam anyway.  No leading, copper fouling or propellant residue there!

Gunkiemike · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 2,755

Motor oil, gasoline, diesel fuel, mineral spirits... none of them affect nylon.  There are some critical engine  parts under the hood of your car that are made out of nylon.


Source - I worked as a chemist doing materials compatibility work in Big Oil for many years.

coldfinger · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 55

How about solvents?  Ballistol warns against use with soft nylons and is a CLP.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
coldfinger wrote:

How about solvents?  Ballistol warns against use with soft nylons and is a CLP.

No, they warn against soft *plastics* that are not oil resistant. Nylon is oil resistant and is not a plastic.Ballistol is also non-toxic - you could drink it.

"Ballistol will not negatively affect plastic materials or paints which are chemically resistant to oils. Specifically, Ballistol will not adversely affect PVC, high pressure Polyethylenes, mipolam, teflon-derivatives or hostaflon-derivatives. It can be safely applied to the gel coat of fiberglass boats. Caution is recommended with foamed polymers like polyester, foamed rubber, or caulking foam in the areas of direct contact. As a rule of thumb, it may be safely assumed that all plastic materials, polymers, paints, lacquers, or varnishes that are chemically neutral toward technical oils will not be adversely affect by Ballistol either. The same holds true of rubber objects. All those types of rubber, which are chemically resistant against mineral oils, will also remain unaffected by Ballistol. Rubbers that are not resistant against mineral oils may become brittle if exposed to Ballistol for an extended period of time and/or under higher than ambient temperatures. If applied thinly Ballistol is suitable for maintaining and cleaning any sort of rubber without damage."

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