Help reopen Williamson Rock


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Kevin Mokracek · · Burbank · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 50
Kevin Mokracek · · Burbank · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 50

Come on people, lets get this issue resolved and at least get it the attention it deserves.   Sign the petition.

Guy Keesee · · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 105

Done...   

Forever Outside · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined Feb 2017 · Points: 150

signed!

drjman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 2,406

done

fireoretire · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 0

Done

everbrad · · Orange County · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0

Only 168 signatures and 6 replies to this thread (including mine and the original poster's reply). C'MON PEOPLE!

Benjamin Chapman · · Small Town, USA · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 12,867

Everbrad...you want this thing to take off you'd better hit the gyms and post the link at REI, A-16, Normad Ventures, FACEBOOK.

SAVE RED ROCK CANYON just hit 50,000 sigatures this month and they've been at it for several years now.


David Fogel · · Lake Forest, CA · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 515

Done. Bump

Joe Garibay · · Ventura, Ca · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 45

Check

everbrad · · Orange County · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0

Hoping the local community doesn't give up the fight Ben.  Alot of us have never had the chance to climb there and it's a damn shame

David Fogel · · Lake Forest, CA · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 515

Here's a simple doc to print out for the cork board at your local gym, or post via social media. PM me for the doc (I couldn't link it on this thread). Let's get the word out.

Fernando Cal · · Long Beach, CA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 0

Signed

everbrad · · Orange County · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0

Keep it going people!

Can we get a sticky for this thread?

DanielHart · · Carpinteria ca · Joined Dec 2016 · Points: 0

Id like a little more information on the situation. Where are the environmental assessment documents? I know it will ruffle a lot of feathers but we don't need to have access to every piece of rock. Where is the discussion about the endangered species? Is a day at the crag worth removing an animal from existence?

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 15
DanielHart wrote:

Id like a little more information on the situation. Where are the environmental assessment documents? I know it will ruffle a lot of feathers but we don't need to have access to every piece of rock. Where is the discussion about the endangered species? Is a day at the crag worth removing an animal from existence?

You could do a little research on your own, if you were interested:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+is+williamson+rock+closed+to+climbing

Nick Votto · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 80

"The real reason for the closure was the Federal Government bowing to lawsuits threatened and brought by special interest groups." 

What special interest groups??

Kevin Mokracek · · Burbank · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 50
Nick Votto wrote:

"The real reason for the closure was the Federal Government bowing to lawsuits threatened and brought by special interest groups." 

What special interest groups??

Primarily the Sierra Club and The Centers for Biological Diversity.  Those two are the biggest proponents to keeping Williamson closed and they have the legal muscle and money to keep it going.

Kevin Mokracek · · Burbank · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 50
DanielHart wrote:

Id like a little more information on the situation. Where are the environmental assessment documents? I know it will ruffle a lot of feathers but we don't need to have access to every piece of rock. Where is the discussion about the endangered species? Is a day at the crag worth removing an animal from existence?

There are no year round pools or habitats for the MYLF near Williamson or at least in any area that is impacted by climbers.   The areas that have MYLF's are downstream of the climbing.   It's my understanding that the decline in MYLF population was and is due to non native trout and a bacteria carried by another frog species that is non native to the area.and not human activity.   This info is secondhand as told to me by a NFS ranger who has been working on the access issue.   He said between the trout and the non native frogs the non native frogs were almost entirely responsible for the MYLF decline.

everbrad · · Orange County · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0

fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DO...;ved=0ahUKEwj5opn6lJrTAhUU0mMKHWcoBOUQFghEMAk&usg=AFQjCNGxC6jNwiVKSUMNu51R2hq5tUrjig" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url= fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DO...;ved=0ahUKEwj5opn6lJrTAhUU0mMKHWcoBOUQFghEMAk&usg=AFQjCNGxC6jNwiVKSUMNu51R2hq5tUrjig

Simple Google search gives all the info requested; this isn't top secret information.  You might have even got a letter from Robert Redford and the Sierra club about this before the closure.

The order in the link above states that recreational activities in the creek are the main concern.  This might seem like common sense but I'll say it anyways.  Rock climbers don't climb or hike in the creek bed.  

Note that this closure also affects the PCT. I've never had the chance to hike this portion on the PCT but I'm pretty sure the PCT doesn't go within creek bed.  

An entire closure of the area makes no sense. Areas deemed necessary to be closed were agreed upon, Climbers offered to build the new trails needed, and a soft opening was in works but even that fell through. 

Kevin Mokracek · · Burbank · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 50

Yep, the PCT as far as  I have hiked it in that area doesn't cross the creek, it might cross it at some point way down stream but for the most part it stays thousands of feet above the creek.   Seasonal closures can also be another answer, when there is water in the stream, no climbing near the stream until it dries up in the late Spring.   Unfortunately the Sierra Club wants non of that. 

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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