Preventing theft of lower-off hardware


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Ryan Surface · · Kansas City · Joined May 2014 · Points: 350

Hardware enthusiasts,

We have had a problem at some Missouri crags with hardware thiefs, mostly involving fixed lower-off hardware or "permadraws". It is fairly unlikely that it is climbers doing the deed as we have a very tight-knit community. Some of these permadraws are often placed just before the lip of a cliff so they are easily reached by leaning over and accessible to non climber types. I have used LOCTITE Red on screw link threads, which allegedly requires high heat to loosen the threads once cured, but I'm curious if there are any other solutions people are using.

Jim Titt · · Germany · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 0
Ryan Surface wrote:Hardware enthusiasts, We have had a problem at some Missouri crags with hardware thiefs, mostly involving fixed lower-off hardware or "permadraws". It is fairly unlikely that it is climbers doing the deed as we have a very tight-knit community. Some of these permadraws are often placed just before the lip of a cliff so they are easily reached by leaning over and accessible to non climber types. I have used LOCTITE Red on screw link threads, which allegedly requires high heat to loosen the threads once cured, but I'm curious if there are any other solutions people are using.
There are other solutions like use kneadable epoxy putty in the barrel which will also require heating to remove. The method I provide to customers is to screw the barrel shut (in the workshop) and drill a hole through so a stainless roll-pin can be inserted preventing it being unscrewed. To remove it you have to carry a suitable pin-punch to drive the pin out.
Mostly I just supply all-welded systems anyway.
Klimbien · · St.George Orem Denver Vegas · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 140

Jim, no integrity issues? I guess it depends too on which hardware is getting pinned and the size of the pin. Would love to see a pic. Good work!

mike gibson · · Rapid City, SD · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 0

how about a cold shut

Chuck Parks · · Atlanta, GA · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 1,976

And if you aren't using them already, something like this will keep those rope-end carabiners on fixed draws from wandering away.

Steel captive pin carabiner from ClimbTech

captive pin carabiner

Ryan Surface · · Kansas City · Joined May 2014 · Points: 350
Jim Titt · · Germany · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 0
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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