CAMP Questionnaire , parking access at threat at Chautauqua Park for accessing the Flatirons


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Ben Bryant · · Westminster · Joined Jun 2007 · Points: 75

https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/3279634/CAMP-Questionnaire

Be sure to take the survey above. We need to make our voices heard, or our access to climbing these historic formations could be diminished. Time limits on parking would disproportionately effect climbers. Please take the survey and let your voice be heard.

curt86iroc · · Golden, CO · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 3

not to start a war, but i visit this area many times during the summer and NEVER have a problem parking. you just need to know where to look and not be afraid to walk an extra block...

Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 105

Love how it always goes to a payment method.

And yes parking sucks unless you get there super early. To be honest though one you need to get their early to climb it's too hot, and two who wants to be there when all the yahoos hiking in jeans are? I prefer to be coming down by then.

Ben Bryant · · Westminster · Joined Jun 2007 · Points: 75

The proposals with a high likelihood of being adopted include a two or three hour limit on parking. This limit would not effect me personally as I mostly free solo the Flatirons. However I think it's quite an elitist perspective to not worry about other members of the climbing Community who take more than 2 hours to climb the flat iron formations as a roped party. This restriction would definitely have a negative effect on those users, members of our community.

Screenshot of camp proposals

Jonathan Awerbuch · · Boulder, Colorado · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 15

There are a lot of other climbing objectives in the Flatirons besides the standard east face routes on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd... A two or three hour limit would be terrible.

Yes, what is the main problem? Are the residents in the neighborhoods annoyed with people parking on the streets? There is plenty of street parking.

Also, the survey is flawed -- for some of the questions, the only answers were:
-I would use this parking option.
-I'd use other modes of transportation.
-I wouldn't visit Chautauqua.

They left off "other", where I would say that I'd find somewhere else nearby to park and walk.

Edit to include: Thanks for posting this, Ben.

Victor K · · Denver, CO · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 135

Done. The most alarming proposal, to me, is limiting parking in the residential neighborhood adjacent to the Open Space. I've never failed to find parking there. If Boulder is willing to operate a remote lot with a free and frequent shuttle, I'd be satisfied. But I doubt they'll lead with that.

Justin Compton · · Lafayette, CO · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 700

For some of the questions that I did not like any of the answers listed and was given the opportunity to write in I wrote "Parking is fine the way it is now" whenever I had the opportunity. I also agree that the survey is biased by only listing
-I would use this parking option.
-I'd use other modes of transportation.
-I wouldn't visit Chautauqua.
as your only options for answers and not allowing people to have a different opinion than those three answers.

ErikaNW · · Golden, CO · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 40

Done - thank you very much for sharing!

Tzilla Rapdrilla · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 835

Jefferson County should start a new fee program that only applies to Boulder residents for using Jeffco Open Space. An awful lot of mountain bikers and others go to White Ranch and other areas since options near Boulder are so limited.

curt86iroc · · Golden, CO · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 3
Tzilla Rapdrilla wrote:Jefferson County should start a new fee program that only applies to Boulder residents for using Jeffco Open Space. An awful lot of mountain bikers and others go to White Ranch and other areas since options near Boulder are so limited.
makes sense since they did the same thing in boulder!
Dave Hurst · · somewhat near Boulder CO · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 0
Justin Compton wrote:For some of the questions that I did not like any of the answers listed and was given the opportunity to write in I wrote "Parking is fine the way it is now" whenever I had the opportunity. I also agree that the survey is biased by only listing -I would use this parking option. -I'd use other modes of transportation. -I wouldn't visit Chautauqua. as your only options for answers and not allowing people to have a different opinion than those three answers.
The city has already decided what they will do, and this survey is their attempt to rationalize it. No other options are presented---because there are no other options--you can pay, or take the bus, or stay away. That's how it is in the People's Republik, comrades.
Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 105
Dave Hurst wrote: The city has already decided what they will do, and this survey is their attempt to rationalize it. No other options are presented---because there are no other options--you can pay, or take the bus, or stay away. That's how it is in the People's Republik, comrades.
If the city council had their way the only people that live here would be millionaires and owners of expensive condos. The rest of us folks would commute into town to work and spend our money, but then promptly leave.
Dave Hurst · · somewhat near Boulder CO · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 0
Scott McMahon wrote: If the city council had their way the only people that live here would be millionaires and owners of expensive condos. The rest of us folks would commute into town to work and spend our money, but then promptly leave.
That's very true! And if OSMP had it their way, we would walk only on permitted trails in giant hamster tubes, unable to touch real trees or grass, and certainly not be able to hike off trail, or climb actual rocks. Unless, of course we had several off-leash dogs, and not clean up after them, as that apparently is OK with OSMP.
Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 105
Dave Hurst wrote: That's very true! And if OSMP had it their way, we would walk only on permitted trails in giant hamster tubes, unable to touch real trees or grass, and certainly not be able to hike off trail, or climb actual rocks. Unless, of course we had several off-leash dogs, and not clean up after them, then anything would be allowed.
And this is why every election I vote against the open space tax.
Mark E Dixon · · Sprezzatura, Someday · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 234
Scott McMahon wrote: If the city council had their way the only people that live here would be millionaires and owners of expensive condos.
And homeless people living at, and sh**ting in the creek.

Scott McMahon wrote: And this is why every election I vote against the open space tax.
I pretty much vote against anything the city proposes. Not that it makes any difference.
Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 105
Mark E Dixon wrote: And homeless people living at, and sh**ting in the creek. I pretty much vote against anything the city proposes. Not that it makes any difference.
haha right? I'm pretty sure my vote goes in the trash considering how many on the council keep getting re-elected.

You can almost guarantee that anything they propose will mostly benefit the rich, the developers, themselves and the prairie dogs.
Cor · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 930

Does anyone know what city member floated or came up with this possible (bad)idea?

Victor K · · Denver, CO · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 135

The CAMP website has a very good history of their efforts, including participants.

Peter Beal · · Boulder Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,690

https://www-static.bouldercolorado.gov/docs/3.1.2017_LB_meeting_packet_with_CAMP_and_comment-1-201702230948.pdf?_ga=1.182881894.1384150690.1488206144

Especially pages 88-100

The upshot is $2.50 an hour to park at Chautauqua with extensive two-hour restrictions. Well done Boulder bureaucrats!

CAMP parking fees

Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 105

To be blunt who the F is going to go for just 2 hours? Someone running a trail or Satan's Minions?

Dave Hurst · · somewhat near Boulder CO · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 0

Haha! That 2 hour restriction is not even enough time to eat at the Chautauqua dining hall, with those long waits for seating, and the slow service, which is even worse than the Ahwahnee at Sunday brunch.
I say once again, Welcome to Boulder Pipple's Reepublik, comrades! Courtesy of your City Clowncil.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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