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New Black Diamond ATC Pilot


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Paul Deger · · Colorado · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 35

Has anyone had access yet to the new ATC Pilot? Any first impressions? Any word on release dates?

amarius · · Nowhere, OK · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 20

There was discussion on MP.com earlier this year - MP.com thread

My memory is little hazy, but IIRC someone mentioned that ATC Pilot is remarkably similar to a belay device from one of the European manufactures.

You decide - ATC Pilot



Salewa Ergo

Paul Deger · · Colorado · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 35

Thanks for the comparison. Especially considering I just heard back from BD Pilot not released until Summer 2018.

Jim Titt · · Germany · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 490
Paul Deger wrote:Thanks for the comparison. Especially considering I just heard back from BD Pilot not released until Summer 2018.
Hopefully it will be better than the Salewa one, it hasn´t exactly got glowing reviews here in Germany on the forums, in fact everone seems completely indifferent to it.
Paul Deger · · Colorado · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 35

Thanks Jim - almost all the reviews are other than English, so helpful to know what they have to say.

Paul Deger · · Colorado · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 35

I was able to translate several reviews on the Salewa Ergo - enough positives to give it a go until 2018 when hopefully the Pilot comes out.

Yelmo Garcia · · Frankfurt, Germany · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 5

Happy New Year, everybody!!

In my opinion, the Salewa Ergo is quite good. However, I would much rather recommend this German creation:

Edelrid Megajul

I've been belaying with it for more than two years now and, although I am still an absolute BD-ATC-fan, this tiny, mega light German invention offers exactly the same belay functions as the BD-ATC but it weighs much much less. AND on top of that it works as a "semi" automatic blocking device ("semi" as the are very carful not to call it "full" automatic as for example the Petzl Grigri, for some legal reasons). I don't know whether it is obtainable in the US thogh. Saludos, Yelmo
Paul Deger · · Colorado · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 35

I just has a chance to use both the Mega Jul and Sawela Ergo. Between the two, I found the Ergo smoother for lowering and the MJ more grabby. Also the Ergo more positive passive breaking. The only downside I found with the Ergo was tendency for the break side rope to drift off the right side of the guide when lowering, which is a narrow metal edge. The pictures of the Pilot appear to have solved for this wear by rolling the edge of the metal.

John F Kelley · · Vancouver, WA · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 30

I hate rappelling with MJ, can't get it run smoothly. Makes me
Bounce to much. Nice if you have to work the rope tho, pretty much autolocks. But just haven't figured out a smooth rappel down the rope with it.

John L · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2017 · Points: 10
John F Kelley wrote: I hate rappelling with MJ, can't get it run smoothly. Makes me Bounce to much. Nice if you have to work the rope tho, pretty much autolocks. But just haven't figured out a smooth rappel down the rope with it.

Flip MJ around and rappel.

Bread Pirate Rahsahbi · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2015 · Points: 0

i would also recommend the mammut smart as a similar device

PatMas · · Tulsa, OK · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 0
John L wrote:

Flip MJ around and rappel.

Fine for single pitch, but if you go past a rap station and have to work back up that MJ is gonna lock the wrong direction.

Ryan Hamilton · · Orem · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 20

I think I mentioned the Pilot in another thread, but after belaying a half dozen pitches I think it's a pretty solid device. No rappelling so I can't speak to that. It is definitely better than the Mammut Smart. I can't speak to the Megajul because I haven't used one. The lowering is REALLY smooth. That's actually the feature I like most about it. I think with more use I may start to prefer it to the grigri, but right now I'm more used to the grigri so it's probably still my preferred device. Tested it with a 9.7mm rope and the BD Vaporlock carabiner. My partner also used it and said he liked it a lot and preferred it to the megajul. It locks up well, but does let a little rope slowly go through if you're not applying pressure to the brake strand. Easy for boinging the leader back up the rope after a fall. 

Mike Flanagan · · Redlands, CA · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 55

Haven't seen the ATC pilot but had an opportunity to use a " Click-up" in Kalymnos & thought it was DOPE despite writing it off as a gimmick at first. Super smooth, easy to lower/pay out slack, etc. Might be a viable option if you're not getting off the ground/rappelling and want an assisted-brake belay device. Plus, that audible "Click" when you fall makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about the brake working properly.

http://www.climbingtechnology.com/en/outdoor-en/belay-devices-and-descenders/assisted-braking/click-up

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