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drjman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 2,431

Gotta love Irvine, CA. I was laughing through the entire article.

ocregister.com/articles/off…

"Low oxygen environment due to the sealed house"..."officers are recovering".

This picture is awesome:

Nick Votto · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 320

Haha good thing they have AR-15's and enough O2 for days...

drjman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 2,431
Nick Votto wrote:Haha good thing they have AR-15's and enough O2 for days...
Seriously. It could have been baking soda! Or even worse...non gluten-free flour.
rging · · Salt Lake City, Ut · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 210

The subject described himself as an avid rock climber or mountaineer,” Kurtz said. “And all of this stuff makes sense in that context.”

The powder was found on the floor throughout the house, on table-tops and on counter-tops, and on the garage floor, Mahoney said.

So what makes sense?

keithconn · · LI, NY · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 35

That the avid climber actually climbs from room to room and chalks up when eating with rock utensils. Maybe.

John Badila · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 15

Dizzyness? Low-oxygen environment? Do they just start making things up when they see a white powder? None of this makes any sense. . .

steverett · · San Diego, CA · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 105
OCRegister wrote:“He (the homeowner) was taken into custody for the duration of the investigation.”.
Report a burglary, and the cops arrest the homeowner?

Also, WTF is "powdered water"???

I also don't see how any of these would cause a low-oxygen environment. Maybe they were dizzy from walking up the stairs.
Tylerpratt · · Litchfield, Connecticut · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 35
rging wrote:The subject described himself as an avid rock climber or mountaineer,” Kurtz said. “And all of this stuff makes sense in that context.” The powder was found on the floor throughout the house, on table-tops and on counter-tops, and on the garage floor, Mahoney said. So what makes sense?
They tore through all his shit looking for something in a panic cuz they realized they dun fucked up!
Backwards Eric · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 480
steverett wrote:Also, WTF is "powdered water"???
Maybe this - Dry water
Perhaps the homeowner was working on developing some new, extra absorbent chalk.
rging · · Salt Lake City, Ut · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 210

Do I need to own a solid clathrate hydrate cage to use chalk in California?

BrokenChairs BrettC · · Sultan, WA · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 245
John Badila wrote:Dizzyness? Low-oxygen environment? Do they just start making things up when they see a white powder? None of this makes any sense. . .
This story sounds strikingly familiar. My take away cops like to arrest people when they get light headed on job. Oh and I remember reading another one where this lady got rear ended the police showed up and arrested her for DUI. Test concluded she had nothing in her system and probably shaken up from just being in a car accident. Basically never trust em; they are out to charge you not help you.

ksl.com/?sid=41814049&;nid=148&title=tests-show-no-drugs-found-in-officers-drink-accused-subway-employee-wont-be-charged

kutv.com/news/local/woman-c…

@ steverett: Yes it was for sure from walking up the stairs

Oh and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't calcium sulfate used for sheet rock. He was probably doing some sheet rock work which would explain why it was all over the house. Cops (head shake)
Laronicus Lehmanold · · Salt Lake, UT · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 295

One word: Sheetrock.

Calcium sulfate = Sheetrock / home remodels (I worked in construction from 11 until about 21)

Magnesium Carbonate = rock chalk

Stupid People = Police

Laronicus Lehmanold · · Salt Lake, UT · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 295
steverett wrote: Report a burglary, and the cops arrest the homeowner? Also, WTF is "powdered water"??? I also don't see how any of these would cause a low-oxygen environment. Maybe they were dizzy from walking up the stairs.
The only thing that comes to mind is that when you install sheet rock you have to apply mud (gypsum dust + water) to the gaps between each sheet to create a uniform wall. You have to place tape, apply mud, let dry, sand, and repeat the process, until the seams are no longer visible.

Each time you sand you the dust will float around in the air for a while, and get trapped if the area is not properly ventilated.

My guess is that the person reported a burglary, and than just let them go when he realized they were overreacting. I would have done the same.

Wasting their time, and no charges against you? Sounds like a good prank to me. Haha.
Eplumer400 · · Cleveland, OH · Joined May 2016 · Points: 100
Laronicus Lehmanold wrote:One word: Sheetrock. Calcium sulfate = Sheetrock / home remodels (I worked in construction from 11 until about 21) Magnesium Carbonate = rock chalk Stupid People = Police
Hey man, thanks for painting all police officers with a broad brush and labeling us all stupid! I really appreciate it!

I will admit that the extent of this investigation was a little much, but where I'm from we have a huge heroin problem. This heroin is being cut with fentanyl, which can be fatal upon ingestion, accidental or otherwise. These officers we're being more safe than sorry. I don't understand the whole "low-oxygen environment" and why the officers felt lightheaded, but I wasn't there. I think where they got alarmed was the homeowner being evasive and not being able to explain the chalk. Or why it was literally all over his house. Any person who considers themselves a climber should be able to explain why we use chalk.

Point is, it was a little over the top. However, knowing that no one was hurt or that there wasn't a break in should be sufficient enough. I think a lot of you are forgetting that officers put their life on the line to protect you, even if you think all they do is be "out there to charge you, not help you." For every officer that you hear about in the news doing something wrong, there are 20 more who do their job and what they are supposed to do that you don't hear about.
Laronicus Lehmanold · · Salt Lake, UT · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 295
Eplumer400 wrote: Hey man, thanks for painting all police officers with a broad brush and labeling us all stupid!
Sorry man. -Reactionary comment fueled by emotions which derive from personal experience with incompetent LEO. I will try to remember not to generalize in the future, and specify my comments to the situation being discussed. Thank you for pointing that out.
Stagg54 Taggart · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 10

Mahoney said he did not believe the homeowner would be charged with a crime,

what crime???

Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,767
Stagg54 wrote:Mahoney said he did not believe the homeowner would be charged with a crime, what crime???
That's what caught me... like wtf are you talking about? You guys should probably get sued over this and owe the guy money for damages. Statement should be we have apologized profusely for the mix up and will do what we can to make it right with the resident. We are sorry for the inconvenience but it was for everyone's safety.

I think what typically occurs is they will attempt to charge him with something so they can 'bargain for immunity' ie that the issue just be dropped and he doesnt sue the police. Being evasive isnt a crime and could simply be a mental health issue, I don't see how it justifies shutting down streets, evacuating homes etc.
Eplumer400 · · Cleveland, OH · Joined May 2016 · Points: 100
Laronicus Lehmanold wrote: Sorry man. -Reactionary comment fueled by emotions which derive from personal experience with incompetent LEO. I will try to remember not to generalize in the future, and specify my comments to the situation being discussed. Thank you for pointing that out.
Trust me, I understand where you're coming from. There are unfortunately a lot of incompetent officers around. In fact our department just fired one on Tuesday. A large portion of officers are retiring recently however, and a new wave of young officers are coming in, myself included (I'm 24).

I graduated from the academy in May of 2015. During my time in the academy was the Tamir Rice shooting, after which the state of Ohio added an additional 100 hours of training in community relations, diversity, and sensitivity training to the peace officer academy curriculum. I hope that this new wave of officers are able to turn the tide on this whole police brutality and be a bit more understanding to the needs of the citizens, instead of propelling their own personal agendas, stupidity, and prejudices on others.
Morgan Patterson · · CT · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,767
Eplumer400 wrote: Trust me, I understand where you're coming from. There are unfortunately a lot of incompetent officers around. In fact our department just fired one on Tuesday. A large portion of officers are retiring recently however, and a new wave of young officers are coming in, myself included (I'm 24). I graduated from the academy in May of 2015. During my time in the academy was the Tamir Rice shooting, after which the state of Ohio added an additional 100 hours of training in community relations, diversity, and sensitivity training to the peace officer academy curriculum. I hope that this new wave of officers are able to turn the tide on this whole police brutality and be a bit more understanding to the needs of the citizens, instead of propelling their own personal agendas, stupidity, and prejudices on others.
This certainly brings some hope... I unfortunately think the issue lies in the standard of fearing for your life. It's too subjective and can easily be manipulated by officers. It seems somewhere along the way we lost the, stop, wait for backup and proceed and have replaced it with shoot to kill anytime you are afraid.

This is what they dont do... apologize and admit wrong. From another story in the headlines. “I was disappointed to see how the investigation was handled,” he said. “It’d be nice to see them come out and say, 'Hey, we made a mistake. We’re sorry.'"

ksl.com/?sid=41814049&;nid=148&title=tests-show-no-drugs-found-in-officers-drink-accused-subway-employee-wont-be-charged

"Originally, police reported that an ion scanner test indicated meth and THC were in a sample of the drink Ukena filled. A separate test also "tested positive for narcotics," the department said." ---- So is it that the test are just this unreliable? Or is it a matter of lying and manipulating in order to not appear to have done wrong?
Laronicus Lehmanold · · Salt Lake, UT · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 295
Eplumer400 wrote: Trust me, I understand where you're coming from. There are unfortunately a lot of incompetent officers around. In fact our department just fired one on Tuesday. A large portion of officers are retiring recently however, and a new wave of young officers are coming in, myself included (I'm 24). I graduated from the academy in May of 2015. During my time in the academy was the Tamir Rice shooting, after which the state of Ohio added an additional 100 hours of training in community relations, diversity, and sensitivity training to the peace officer academy curriculum. I hope that this new wave of officers are able to turn the tide on this whole police brutality and be a bit more understanding to the needs of the citizens, instead of propelling their own personal agendas, stupidity, and prejudices on others.
Right on man. Training/education really is the best way to create positive, meaningful, and long lasting change. Cheers man.
Brady3 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 15

Since the officers were cleared by medical professionals that they were not infected with anything, then the dizziness might have just been a nocebo effect. The officers saw the white powder and freaked out and then generated their own symptoms even though nothing was actually effecting them.
As others have said, I don't see how those things would create a low oxygen environment. If they did, then why didn't it effect the homeowner who was presumably in the house much longer than the officers?

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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