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Chain Draws at the Peaks?


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yourmentor · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 0

Chain draws have shown up on some routes at the Peaks. These routes are not hard to clean and do not need chain draws hanging. Please remove your clutter. Thanks.

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,180

Where are the Peaks? Is there a guidebook you could point me to?

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 275
Colonel Mustard wrote:Where are the Peaks? Is there a guidebook you could point me to?
I'm going to guess it's this:

mountainproject.com/v/the-p…
Hamlincheese · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 160

Mentor. I'd like to ask you to quit being such a dad about things. I'd also like to welcome you to 2016, a time when fixed hardware is a thing. Please don't remove them again.

Barrett Pauer · · Brevard, NC · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 775
yourmentor wrote:These routes are not hard to clean and do not need chain draws hanging.
hamlincheese wrote: I'd also like to welcome you to 2016, a time when fixed hardware is a thing. Please don't remove them again.
Easy to clean? Chop it all!!
climberish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 10

Mmmmmmm, time to get some popcorn.

yourmentor · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2016 · Points: 0

If trying to make sure access to an area isn't impacted makes me a dad, then I hope "you kids" grow up and can clean up after yourselves. Fixed draws have a place but it's not on slightly overhung 5.11s in a wilderness area with a history of access issues. I like climbing up there (in the middle of the week, so I don't have to listen to speakers blaring hip hop, I'm kind of kidding) and my priority is access.

Also I didn't take the draws, I was giving whoever put them up there the chance think about possible issues and make a big kid decision.

md3 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 45

I have only seen fixed chain draws on a very difficult route just to the left of the 5.11 route called Be the Burn now on MP. The difficulty of the route shouldn't be the only factor in the decision about whether or not chain draws are necessary. They are extremely ugly. Obviously, hanging draws on that route in the steep section while climbing would be difficult. Cleaning them while lowering is a bit of a pain, just like on Be the Burn. However, you can pre-place the draws on that hard route while lowering off Be the Burn if you give yourself a directional under the top overhang of the Be the Burn. Cleaning them is not dangerous.
I think it was the Friday before last that I saw a Forest Service person there measuring out the trail at the bottom with a wheel, diagramming all the routes and putting together what he referred to as something like an “impact survey”. I don't know why the FS has time to worry about little climbing areas like this. I don't know if they are concerned only with compacted soil and vegetation removal or if they also take into account the visual impact of something like hanging chain draws. I certainly do. I don't think this is an appropriate place for fixed chain draws, regardless of how convenient they might be.
Additionally, I will renew my request that the people who put in the hard and much appreciated work of establishing those routes give a little thought to supporting the removal of bolts on many of the routes that are right next to excellent, easy gear placements. Doing that would reduce the impact from crowds and make a lot of the moderate routes more interesting.

mcarizona · · Flag · Joined Feb 2007 · Points: 180

Thought this was settled:

mountainproject.com/v/fixed…

Joel Unema · · Flagstaff, AZ · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 995

The chain draws on Control Burn are mine. I put them up as project draws for the season, as my non-chain project draws have been stolen in the past. My intent was not to leave them as "permadraws" but to use them as project draws for the season.

I have not been able to make it back up in the past month due to an knee injury, but I will be back up there tomorrow.

If the draws have been taken down, let me know please. We can arrange a meeting or something so I can get them back. In the future, if this is a problem, I will be happy to stop leaving project draws at the Peaks if the community has a problem with it.

feel free to give me a call or text to discuss this and or return draws...
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